School Board Votes 5-3 Not to Renew Superintendent Dr. Mary Bucci's Contract
Contract expires June 30, 2013.
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After an evening of emotional speeches, the Pine-Richland School Board decided in a split vote Monday night not to renew Superintendent Dr. Mary Bucci's contract when it expires at the end of June.
The 5-3 vote split mostly along the lines of newcomers vs. veteran board directors.
Voting not to renew the contract were four directors with less than a year's experience. Directors Peter Lyons, Laura Ohlund and Virginia Goebel were elected in November 2011. Director Katie Shogan was appointed in May to fill the vacancy left when Director Richard Herko resigned.
The veteran director who also voted against renewal was Treasurer Dennis Sundo, who has served on the board for seven years. He was the only director to vote against Bucci in May 2009 when she was hired to replace Superintendent Dr. James Manley.
Voting Monday in support of Bucci were President Stephen Hawbaker, Vice President Dr. Jeffrey Banyas and Director Therese Dawson. They were elected in 2001, 2009 and 2007 respectively.
Director Mark Casciani, who was appointed to the board Sept. 20, abstained.
Bucci’s Response
“I have considered it a privilege to work for this district, to serve the students and staff and parents of the school district and the school board members who have supported me. I will always be grateful for the opportunity.
“I still say Pine-Richland is a great place to live, to learn and to work,” Bucci said with a smile.
Coming Out of the Blue?
Before the vote, Hawbaker said that although it might seem the issue “appeared from nowhere,” it did not.
A school board is required to express its intent on a superintendent’s contract renewal five months before the contract expires, he said, and the board was in the process of evaluating Bucci.
Apparently, the school board met in executive session on Monday, Sept. 24, to discuss Bucci’s contract.
Bucci was advised Tuesday that the board would not renew her contract and she advised her staff of that on Wednesday, Hawbaker said.
Directors’ Respond
Lyons, who made the motion to notify Bucci that her contract would not be renewed, said:
“This is not a vote against Dr. Bucci. To me it is a vote to simply choose not to renew a contract that expires at the end of the (school) year and to vote to engage in more growth and perhaps more change— but with an eye toward continuing improving this school district while keeping all the improvements and all the changes and all the accomplishments that we have achieved in this district.”
Dr. Jeffrey Banyas countered by showing a slide show that summarized a long list of Bucci’s accomplishments and said he believed Bucci should be retained.
Dawson left her director’s seat and moved to the podium to give an empassioned speech that praised Bucci and her accomplishments, then asked fellow board members to “do what is best for the students.”
Hawbaker echoed Banyas’ and Dawson’s sentiments.
Katie Shogan noted the data board members received from community members who filled out evaluation forms.
“Steve alluded to the fact that we asked for some community input, in an evaluation form for this,” Shogan said. “As the newer board member, that was a piece of data I took seriously.”
Shogan said the comments showed a divide “that really took me by surprise.”
“I have gotten some community feedback, again from various sources, ... and I think there is a divide and a mistrust that is pervasive and that it is too much to overcome.”
“I think we need to clear up that distrust that seems to be out there," Shogan said. "The data that I have indicates a desire for more of a community presence than what exists currently. And I am disheartened that this is the way this is happening.”
elwin weaver
4:15 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Pure arrogance of the board. Dr. Bucci was all about education. Looks like a return to sports is the KING again at Pine Richland. Win at all costs.
Bob Necciai
7:09 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I wish to express my absolute and undivided support in the leadership of Mary Bucci in her position as Superintendent of the School District and wish her continued success in her future endeavors, I am sure that she will find a new position where she is appreciated by a non activist and whiney board. She has shown superior leadership in very trying circumstances in a school district that sometimes expects too much without sacrifice and question, without the responsibility to realize that you can't have everything. If you expect someone to be the answer to your prayers, you have to realize that sometimes the answer is no.
Bob Necciai, Former Board Member (who is now sorry I did not run again)
Fred Freitag
11:55 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Please explain your reference about a "non activist and whiney board". What are you implying by that statement?
Bob Necciai
6:20 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
A board sets policy and the administration carries it out. I am not aware of a string of issues that there has been confrontations between the board and the superintendent that were made public. The superintendent serves at the pleasure of the board who has to make decisions on the direction of the district. I don't recall a lot of no votes on any issues that came up other than those trying to save the district money. To then not renew is being activist. I would hope that any issues that were brought up by the public, especially mixed messages, were brought to Mary's attention to address before this vote. If not, it was not only whiney but cowardly.
Fred Freitag
7:47 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I guess Bob we disagree. The school board sits at the pleasure of the community at large - they, although volunteers, serve at the whim of the community.
Yes, the Superintendent serves at the pleasure of the board - but the board answers to the community at large for whom they are serving. Indirectly, through the board, Mary answers to the community at large for whom she is serving.
I am particularly aware of issues that were brought to the attention of the board AND to Mary (after your time on the board). I disagreed with the board’s initial decisions then as to those issues. I now steadfastly approve of the “newer” board members’ decision not to retain Mary once more.
I don’t see where “cowardly” nor “whiney” is a remotely accurate nor proper description or characterization of their actions. Moreover, they could be, and obviously are, aware of issues that you are not privy too.
So, I believe the board with it's newer membership, is acting in the best interests of the PRSD community by not renewing Mary's contract but looking elsewhere for the leadership this district deserves and demands.
Bob Necciai
11:08 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Fred - One last thing before we respectfully agree to disagree. When I served on the board, I did not serve at the whim of the community, and especially of the community at large. I was elected to make my own decisions for my district that voted me in. I took counsel from those in the community that contacted me, but never from the community at large, or never ever anonymously. I have no knowledge of what the community was asked, but my experience in both school district business and business in general, those that reply to these kinds of things usually are passionately for or have an axe to grind, At the end of the day, every vote that I made was of my own accord and my decision, with what I felt was best for the constituents of my district and mine alone, which is what every board member is legally bound to do. I am sure I am not privy to everything that goes on or went on (thank goodness!), but I get real concerned that hearing people talk about "mixed messages" isn't being confused with "people really don't know what they are talking about". Just read this chain. There are enough contradictions in these comments to fill a volume. Where were these people when we had board meetings - committee meetings, etc..... Maybe in the last year since I left the board the room overflows every other Monday night, but I doubt it. Sideline stone throwers (and I know you are not one) should just stay on the sidelines and leave it to the professionals (volunteers).
Fred Freitag
11:25 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Bob - I agree with you to a point certainly and respectfully disagree on others.
First, let me state I value your opinion and realize the commitment you have made to the PRSD both as a board member and resident. All your endeavors have been laudable and noted.
Second, however, I guess unbeknownst to you, yes, there have been board meetings where the room overflowed. In fact, the board had to move a meeting or two into the high school auditorium because of the number of people expected and who did attend. I will acknowledge and say that Bucci and her being rehired was not on the agenda for one of those meetings. But I doubt that when the board considered hiring Dr. Bucci to begin with that the board held open forum about such (or I didn’t know at the time). As such, now, after having had time and experience with Dr. Bucci as the PRSD Superintendent residents are giving their opinions.
The Pine-Patch is a venue for people in a community to speak their mind, give their opinion, or comment on an issue currently relevant and in the news of primarily local concern. As a reader thereof, it’s incumbent upon one to realize these are only opinions - rarely do I see a quote with a citation or a link where the information was obtained (it does happen every-so-often though).
Dr. Bucci, in taking the job as Superintendent, has placed herself in a position as a “public figure” where commentators or bloggers can give their opinions about them.
Alan
7:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Finally!
It is great to see this change. Bucci is all about flash while the substance (education) has slipped. Under her "leadership" she did nothing but nickel and dime the special needs programs causing support teachers to be stretched so thin they are not effective. We lost every principle under her leadership and even lost Paula Schmitt (Dorector of Special Ed). The void left with the departure of Dr. Rossi was poorly replaced.
All PRSD cared about under Bucci was athletics and
flash. We have champagne taste in a beer income.
I am not surprised at all by who wanted to keep her. I am glad the other board members and the community saw that it was time for a change.
My hope is the next superintendent will bring back the reputation that PRSD once had that prompted us to build a home here.
It is no surprise who wanted to keep
Fred Freitag
8:16 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Ditto. Except that Bucci didn't pay attention nor know what was going on with the athletics obviously by her ongoing commitment to the past Athletic Director. Bucci didn't lead or administer anything dealing with the athletics but kept her head in the sand while perversion therein was, and is, clearly prevalent.
Susan M.
8:07 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
She needed to go. We have one dictator in the White House, we don't need someone like that in our schools. Too many unilateral decisions and crazy changes. Wrong for this school district.
Elizabeth
8:40 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Dictator? really? Dr. Bucci never spoke in the first few schoolboard meetings that were televised when she started. I think she hid behind her assistant supt. and her posse on the board. I also feel a change is needed. but No comparisons at all to the President.
Fred Freitag
8:11 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I think a change is and was needed. I applaud the new board members for their insight and taking responsibility in the matter.
Alan
8:20 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
We just need for Hawbaker to go away and we will right the ship
Fred Bloggs
8:38 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Pleasantville is crumbling.
Fred Bloggs
8:48 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
And the new hire will be....Dr. Shipley current Super at Shaler. Lives in PR district and is a great Administrator. I'll lay money on it.
a mom
9:07 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I have watched the changes in our district as both a parent and as an employee. To truly understand what it has been like under Dr. Bucci one has to be in those schools, day after day. The spending of our tax dollars on unnecessary items such as new furniture for the High School Office, a new facade an entry way proposed for Richland Elementary, New baseball dugout, state of the art Stem which used to be called Steam before the arts were cut, and the list goes on. Cuts were made to programs, teachers, and believe it or not now to using the copy machine at the High School. Limits have been placed on copying for students and staff. 'Go home and print it out" is what we were told. To keep our Athletic director on as football coach is immoral when most of the residents in the area know exactly what happened with him. Dr Bucci claimed that she had a great interest and background in Special Education. From my upfront and personal view from digging in the trenches that program has been chipped away unmercifully since Dr. Manleys reign. She continued the practice of "rubber stamping" that Manley began thus throwing our district into a downward spiral. No one person will be approved by all but Dr. Bucci's disapproval rating has sky rocketed. I commend the new board members for listening to not only my concerns but also the community. Most people are fearful of change and it is easy to criticize these new board members. We have a chance at a new start.
Fred Bloggs
9:19 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
"To keep our Athletic director on as football coach is immoral when most of the residents in the area know exactly what happened with him. " Never heard issues with him. What happened?
NotBornAYinzer
10:50 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The dugouts were needed due to lightning safety - there was no place to protect people in case of a storm. Softball field at RE is similar, especially when the building is locked at the end of the day. They will either have to build a dugout there as well, or keep a door unlocked. It's about safety, not spending more on sports.
crosbycat
9:07 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Hallelujah! This district has declined dramatically under Mary Bucci - when you teach t o the test, buy curricula to match the test, andonly care about the test, it is no great accomplishment to have decent PSSA scores. I agree she has been a dictator but apparently with older Board members approval in her complete revamping of elementary Math and Reading curricula. She has caused numerous scandals (autism dog stalling, marxist symposium and rampant socialism promoted within the high school, the departure of virtually every principal and vice principal). Now its time to replace the remaining 3 Board directors.
Ex-PRSD employee
9:12 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Bucci did make unilateral decisions. Sure, the Board appears to make decisions, but during Bucci's reign, they only made decisions based upon what information Bucci provided to them. In my time at the District, I know that they did not get all the information they should have had before making some very important decisions.
Ex-PRSD employee
9:18 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
In my opinion, Bucci did make unilateral decisions. Sure, the Board appeared to make decisions, but during Bucci's reign, they only made decisions based upon what information Bucci provided to them. In my time at the District, It has always been my opinion that they did not get all the information they should have had before making some very important decisions.
Fred Freitag
9:53 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I liken your statement to what the "independent investigation" revealed as to the Jodi Chmielewski and her soccer coaching debacle. I agree with you completely and have personal experience with the failure to inform and acknowledge on Bucci's part.
a mom
9:24 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Wish I could tell Fred what happened with our Athletic director but to do so could be considered slander. I am sure that you could find out by just a quick trip to the Giant Eagle.
Fred Freitag
9:49 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Yes, it is well known what happened there. It's an absolute travesty and breach of fiduciary duty (one of many) on the part of Bucci to have kept the past AD.
Elizabeth
10:12 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Better yet ...... just ask one of the high school students or football players. they know all about it! but keep him on as coach. What a great message that sends to the players and the students!
DISGUSTED
11:16 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
What happened to accountability for one's actions and transparency? It's out the window with the veteran board members AND the Bucci administration. Forget about morals, forget about students safety, forget about the good hard working teachers, forget about education. They are no longer priorities for this group. Something is VERY rotten here and the old time guard continues the coverup. It's time to cut out ALL of the cancers, don't stop with just Bucci! Hawbaker, Dawson, Banyas, Chmielewski, Altemus all deserved to be shown the door.
Behavior and actions speak louder than words. What are they teaching our students? No one has been held accountable. It's hard to teach your kid to behave morally and responsibly when school leaders don't set a good example!
It's time to restore honor and integrity to PRSD leaders.
Fred Freitag
11:50 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Yes. I, for one, would like to see the recent "independent investigation" and evaluate what was contained therein. The Right-to-Know request response deadline is October 10th, 2012. Why doesn't the PRSD just turn the report over if it doesn't have anything to hide. I, too, would like some transparency.
a mom
11:58 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I agree with you. There is also something rotten about a High School principal that told a parent that it would cost his daughter $80.00 to go to the Homecoming dance since she and her boyfriend missed the deadline. Deadline for homecoming on PR TV stated Thursday would be the deadline for tickets. This student an others tried to buy tickets that day and were told no tickets were being sold after Wednsday. A certain Principal told this young ladies father that she could go to the dance for $80.00 . Something smells rotten here also. This is not the end of exposing our administrators for what they really are.....Take that Mr. P!
Mary
12:11 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Change was necessary to bring PR back on track. Thank you new school board members (and Mr. Sundo) for making this decision. While grace and morality are respectable qualities, but there is so much more to being a great leader who people want to emulate. Our new leader must be someone who listens to and collaborates with his/her employees and constituents with consideration and respect, not a dictator with a personal agenda .
Alan
12:46 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I applaud the five board members for doing the right thing and removing Bucci. The three that voted for her were/are simply puppets that would NEVER push back on anything she said or did. We need a clean sweep and start over. My hope is that we get a superintendent that TRULY cares about our children and their education.
DISGUSTED
2:02 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Why is it that the last board meeting minutes transcript available on the PRSB website is February 2012? This is now October!! Lack of transparency in the district once again. Cut backs? Inefficiency? Or something else?
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
2:42 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Would someone please come out forthrightly and state these allegations against Dr. Bucci? There have been veiled implications, grumblings, and rumors. But I have yet to hear one valid position stating a direct grievance. On the other hand, there was an entire powerpoint and multiple speeches given last night chronicling specific ways she has benefited this district. All the speculation and secrecy are just making things worse. If you have an issue with her, then have the guts to come right out and state it. What is best for our district is not to lynch our superintendent in a cloaked, rushed manner.....but rather to approach differences with openness and candor.
Fred Freitag
2:52 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Did you also read/hear the part about data received from community members which was evaluated by some board members?
If not, the Pine-Richland Patch also reported such.
To quote the Pine-Richland Patch:
"Katie Shogan noted the data board members received from community members who filled out evaluation forms.
“Steve alluded to the fact that we asked for some community input, in an evaluation form for this,” Shogan said. “As the newer board member, that was a piece of data I took seriously.”
Shogan said the comments showed a divide “that really took me by surprise.”
“I have gotten some community feedback, again from various sources, ... and I think there is a divide and a mistrust that is pervasive and that it is too much to overcome.”"
There are many in the community that obviously had problems with Bucci - the community at-large clearly had issues with Bucci which was a part of the decision the board made.
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
3:18 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
What the Patch did NOT report was that Katie Shogan began that whole speech by acknowledging things she appreciated about Dr. Bucci. So it was confusing when she followed that with her next statements. I STILL do not see a single specific, clarified allegation against Dr. Bucci. The comments you refer to above are barely more than hearsay. Show some evidence. State an actual position. I think the community has a right to know why this decision was made.
Fred Freitag
3:27 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I/we have stated a position - many of the commentators here are glad to see Bucci go.
Yes, admittedly, Bucci did do some good things for PRSD. However, in our opinion, those "good things" don't outweigh what is wrong with Bucci remaining as the Superintendent.
I feel resolute and comfortable with the majority decision of the PRSD board.
What I suggest is that you do some research (even here on Pine-Richland Patch is a good start) and speak to some community members who can give you their opinion in person - and I'm sure back their opinion up with specific examples.
a mom
3:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
It is not allegations but facts that have lead our district into the financial mess that we are in. Look above and at past comments in the patch. Openness and candor should begin at the top with Dr. Bucci. Instead there has been a shroud of secrecy from this administration. The administration does not trust the teachers and support staff. The teachers and support staff do not trust the administration. The level of trust begins at the top and when you have board members that do not trust the administrator, an administrator that does not trust employees, you have flat out discontent amongst all. It is not just a Dr. Bucci problem, but if we do not see some change for the positive in this district we will continue in the negative direction we have been taking. Does anyone wonder why we have such a high rate of turnover in administration? Lets look to the future and pray for the board to find a suitable superintendent for 2013. This amount of discontent, negativity, and discord is non productive.
a mom
3:21 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
PS Ms. Cherry, it is always nice to preface a negative with the positives so maybe that is what Ms. Shogun was doing.
Fred Freitag
3:30 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I think that's a fairly good evaluation. No one denies that Bucci didn't do "some" positive things for the PRSD.
Bob Necciai
11:26 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Nice? Really? We are talking about someones career here. "Thanks for all your hard work - GET OUT"
Fred Freitag
10:09 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I believe that Bucci is a prime example of the "Peter Principle". The Peter Principle is a belief that, in an organization where promotion is based on achievement, success, and merit, that organization's members will eventually be promoted beyond their level of ability. The principle is commonly phrased, "employees tend to rise to their level of incompetence." [Wikipedia]
If someone isn't doing the job they are being paid to do - they have to go or be relieved of that responsibility they can't handle.
I think that was clearly the case here.
I realize Bob that Bucci was hired while you were you board member and you might feel some commitment and dedication to her. However, I (along with many others) simply don't believe she was adequately performing the job or duties that are required and needed of the Superintendent of PRSD.
Ex-PRSD employee
3:25 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Whatever happened to Anthony DiTomasso, head of legal affairs for the District? I don't see him listed there anymore. I don't see anything in the Board minutes stating that he resigned or anything else.
Cindy Cusic Micco
4:45 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
He is now a vice president at Community College of Allegheny County.
a mom
3:43 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Mr DiTomasso resigned and it was on the agenda for one of the past meetings.
Elizabeth
6:44 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Wow why did Mr. DiTomasso resign so abruptly? Seems like a lot of administrators are leaving......
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
1:44 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
In his resignation letter Mr. DiTomasso stated his reason for leaving as his acceptance of a position with the Community College of Allegheny County. In that same letter, he wrote the following:
"It has been my great pleasure and honor to serve with Dr. Bucci during her tenure as Superintendent of Schools, and I am proud that I have been able to be of assistance to her as she has worked tirelessly to navigate the district through difficult times over the past three years. Dr. Bucci has consistently demonstrated the courage to make the necessary, if not always politically popular decisions, during her tenure, and modeled the form of leadership that I hope to carry with me into and exemplify in my next endeavor. The Pine-Richland school district is fortunate to have a leader such as Dr. Bucci as its Superintendent. Although Dr. Bucci was not the Superintendent when I was originally hired, I can truly say that there is no other Superintendent for whom I would have desired to serve over the last three years."
Elizabeth
5:28 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
and your point is?..... nice letter for Dr. Bucci but why did he resign........hmmmm
jack reynolds
5:37 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I have heard that the Varsity Girls Soccer team gained unauthorized entry to the stadium on Sunday with the purpose of practicing. This was done with no personnel there to open the facility and no trainer. Unfortunately, a player was seriously injured (broken leg rumored) and couldn't be removed because the gates were locked. Evidently, the police were called (15 minutes to get there) and had to cut the chain to take her to an ambulance. I heard they were none too happy. I am guessing several important rules were broken here which confirm the need to remove this coach for her position of irresponsibility
Fred Freitag
5:38 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Yes, it's true a student player was seriously injured at that practice. I believe she broke her fibia (shin bone) during the practice.
Yes, the ambulance couldn't gain entrance to the stadium field because the gate was locked. The police had to be called and cut the lock off before the paramedics or EMT could enter the stadium to remove the student/player. I heard the paramedics were none to happy about the situation.
Now whether there was unauthorized use of the stadium by the soccer coach I don't know. But you would think that, given the past history of serious injuries with the girls soccer players, a trainer should have been present. By Jodi's own admission she isn't adept nor trained at recognizing or dealing with a player's injuries that occur. Too, from my understanding a trainer is normally available during (I think it's PRSD new rules to have one available) the normal M-F week days and who goes between the various teams practicing at the time - but none was present for a Sunday practice.
Fred Bloggs
10:04 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
That is a CLEAR violation of WPIAL/PIAA rules. Not surprising though is it in a district that preaches "win at all costs" from the top down.
cHERYL mILLER
5:39 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I thank Dr. Bucci for her contributions. I'm sorry to see her depart. I suppport comments by Mr Neccai and K Cherry; I believe them to be persons of integrity; when they speak, I listen. I'm appalled members of our community would so publicly tar and feather an administrator in such a shameful manner on this "discussion" forum instead of thanking her for her contributions and agree to part ways. It's easy to hide behind the "veil" of the internet so you don't have to publicly stand and voice your comments in person. Why you felt a need to be disrespectful I cannot understand.... nor do I understand your need to comment disrespectfully against school board members who supported her, such as Mr. Hawbaker who has made many contributions as a VOLUNTEER school board member. I am not as well versed in school politics as I probably should be, but I do know Dr. Bucci has made many positive contributions, She isn't perfect; none of us are. I thought that board was to be the "voice" of the community; last I heard no community input was solicited nor evaluation of Dr. Bucci by community members conducted. Perhaps a discussion with Dr. Bucci in private would have avoided this shameful discourse on the "Patch" from ever occuring. In a democracy, it's good to have different points of view; I thank the 3 who supported Dr. Bucci and I hope others will speak up, as well, to express their support of them.
Fred Freitag
5:48 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
cHERYL mILLER - Please re-read what was reported in the Pine-Patch - you're completely wrong in your statements.
This has already been stated in the original article and I quoted it again.
So, once more:
Did you also read/hear the part about data received from community members which was evaluated by some board members?
If not, the Pine-Richland Patch also reported such.
To quote the Pine-Richland Patch:
"Katie Shogan noted the data board members received from community members who filled out evaluation forms.
“Steve alluded to the fact that we asked for some community input, in an evaluation form for this,” Shogan said. “As the newer board member, that was a piece of data I took seriously.”
Shogan said the comments showed a divide “that really took me by surprise.”
“I have gotten some community feedback, again from various sources, ... and I think there is a divide and a mistrust that is pervasive and that it is too much to overcome.”"
cHERYL mILLER
5:47 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Dr. Bucci's letter to the community just came out. Now that's what I call a class act and grace under pressure. Shame on some of you.
Fred Freitag
5:53 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
What, that we make comments on a public forum? I guess you don't believe in "free speech".
I am not saying she's a terrible woman. I think she wasn't doing her job as the Superintendent though. That's my opinion and I stand by it.
You are free to speak your mind, too, which you did. I guess it's clear that we just agree to disagree.
Yes, I agree that was a eloquently written letter to the community. But that doesn't change my mind or opinion.
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
7:22 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I would like to see evidence of this data supposedly gained from polling the community. I was not polled, nor anyone who I know so far----so who exactly were these evaluations sent to? It's EASY to skew a poll in your favor. If I wanted to rally opponents for an alcohol tax, I could just go to a bar and poll the patrons there. I'm sure they would overwhelmingly support me in my efforts to oppose the tax. I'm sorry....but the statements that you keep quoting from Katie Shogan are weak. If you want to see compelling evidence, I challenge you to watch the powerpoint that Mr. Banyas presented at the Board Meeting. It is based on factual data gathered from official documents and shows marked improvement across the board in several areas under Dr. Bucci's leadership. Once again.....I ask for some evidence and solid documentation from those opposing Dr. Bucci. As for the soccer incident...right now that is simply rumor and hearsay. If it did indeed happen, then that was unfortunate and a poor decision on the coach's part. However....it was not an action taken by Dr. Bucci nor do we know if she was even aware of it. I'm sure incidents like that happened under the leadership of Dr. Manley as well......and will continue to happen under the leadership of whoever comes next.
Fred Freitag
7:53 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
There are obviously things are are unaware of. To get this information your asking for, I direct you to file a "Right To Know" request which you can get the information from the PRSD website.
Oh, the soccer incident did in fact happen - no doubt about it. But you're correct in some of your statements - Bucci was not directly involved in that. However, indirectly she is - she was/is the Superintendent and could have resolved the soccer coach issue long ago but failed to do her job!
crosbycat
7:37 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I also read Bucci's letter to the community and I sinderely hope that she has no input in the selection of a new superintendent.
I also wondered why it was not announced to the community that such an important issue was being discussed at last night's Board meeting. I would have liked to provide input. I guarantee if the public were made aware there would not have been only positive things being said about Bucci. I myself cannot think of any...
Also, the prior Board - from 2008 - selected Bucci. Mr. Sundo wisely did not at that time - he was only "no" vote.
PR Proud
8:28 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The most ironic part of that 2008 PR school board decision was that Dr. Bucci was chosen over another candidate that was more highly regarded by the educational community for foresights, experience, and ability to lead. That candidate, Dr.Billie Rondenelli, subsequently became the superintendent of the South Fayette School District. If there are any doubts as to which school district benefited most from this infamous decision, one need only to examine the PSSA test results from the past 4 years. Dr. Mary Bucci is a very kind person, but this does not translate into her being the best person to lead our school district to excellence. Sadly, that person is/ has been/ will be leading South Fayette instead.
Fred Freitag
8:33 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I heard that too PR Proud, that Dr. Billiie Rondenelli was a better candidate for the Superintendent position.
Cindy Cusic Micco
4:55 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Dr. Bucci and Dr. Rondinelli were assistants under Superintendent Dr. James Manley. I believe both were considered for the job. In the end, the school board voted to hire Dr. Bucci. I'm not sure if you're saying to compare PSSA scores with South Fayette School District. The demographics of the two areas are quite different, aren't they?
Fred Freitag
5:09 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Cindy - I just heard that Dr. Rondinelli would have been a better choice from people who worked with both because of her talents, convictions, etc.. Not trying to compare PSSA scores with South Fayette School District.
Bob Necciai
9:58 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
If you were not involved in the decision to select Dr Bucci as superintendent, then you have absolutely no standing to state that another candidate was more qualified. Anyone that wants to get that involved, there is an election every two years, jump on in, the water is fine, lets see how you do when you are tasked to make statements and decisions when people know your name. It is easy as pie to hide behind a pseudonym cover name and anonymously throw out blather.
PR Proud
12:05 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
Fortunately, I guess, the current school board disagrees with your perceptions as to who the best person is to lead our district. Instead of taking Dr. Bucci's termination as our superintendent as a personal affront, why not move on yourself? You are an ex-board member tearing apart the board members who have visions different from your own. Quite simply, they are more apprised of the current (and sometimes confidential) state of the educational/financial/personnel affairs of our district than you are. The decision has been made, and now, we need to support our board through the process of finding the best person to lead our district.... in much the same way that I/we did when you served. We may not agree, but the time has come to move forward.
Tom Spoke
7:56 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Dear Kiki- The "community" was not polled. Only people who worked closely with Dr. Bucci were sent an evaluation and that is what Katie Shogan was referring to.
Fred Freitag
8:29 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Then I guess the statement in the Pine-Richland Patch is incorrect, "Katie Shogan noted the data board members received from community members who filled out evaluation forms."
That statement impliedly infers "community members" - to mean PRSD residents??
I guess that statement was wrong??
If that be the case, then in my opinion, the reasons for not renewing Bucci contract are even magnified if she can't work closely with people nor attain a close working relationship regardless in their differences of opinion.
Setting the Record Straight
9:23 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I appreciate healthy debates - ones that spark new ideas and creative approaches, but what I’m reading regularly on this site is what I see at the check-out line in the tabloids. Unfortunately, good people are being put through the ringer.
First, we should be thankful for all the folks who are taking time to voice their opinion respectfully.
It’s obvious most of these statements are erroneous, so I decided to do a little checking.
The soccer coach DID seek permission to practice in the stadium. There is no PIAA/ WPIAL requirement for a trainer to be present. Yes, a player injured herself. The coach immediately dialed 911, aided the player and called the parents. Police cut the gate lock, so that when the ambulance arrived - the driver could pull directly into the stadium. Sounds very PRACTICAL & EFFICIENT, doesn’t it?
From what is understood, the parents were EXTREMELY HAPPY with the care the coach provided. An athletic trainer confirms that this was EXACT protocol the trainer would’ve followed.
This type of incident could happen anywhere, on anyone’s watch.
Why not get out and do some good for our PINE-RICHLAND COMMUNITY, instead of sitting at home on your computer lobbing attacks on hard-working people who are trying to make positive changes in the lives of children daily.
Our community is extremely fortunate. Give some time to a child or family in Allegheny County who might not be as fortunate as YOU.
Quit typing and make a difference!
Fred Freitag
9:32 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Then, to reiterate, you would think that, given the past history of serious injuries with the girls soccer players, a trainer should have been present or a practice not be held. By the coach's own admission she isn't adept nor trained at recognizing or dealing with a player's injuries that occur. Yes, after-the-fact or in retrospect, a trainer would have followed the same protocol given the situation. However, this was a patently obvious injury - other injuries are not so patently obvious (i.e. concussions) and the coach admittedly is not educated nor knowledgeable nor experienced to recognize and deal with such.
Cindy Cusic Micco
10:40 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I deleted a comment because it accused someone of breaking the law when no charges were filed. If police file charges, I'll report it.
PR Proud
12:32 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
If a police officer clocks your speed in a 40 MPH zone to be 45 mph, and does not ticket you for speeding, does this mean you did not break the law? If you toss a cigarette butt on the ground, and a police officer warns you of local laws for littering (but does not charge you), does this mean that you did not break the law? If an employer catches one of his employees stealing from the company, does this mean that the employee did nothing illegal because no charges were filed? If an individual, or group, breaks into a locked school facility, but police do not charge them with a crime, does this mean that she/they did nothing wrong/illegal? Reviewing the circumstances: a PR coach (with a group of minors) enters a locked district facility; a player is seriously injured; paramedics cannot enter locked facility; police must cut lock to enter said facility, but do not file charges against the coach. If I am reading your rationale for censoring my comment accurately, you have censored my response because, as a journalist, you only view someone as breaking a law (or doing an act seriously inappropriate) if charges are filed. I am sorry, but I do not agree with your response to a very important question needing to be asked about a very controversial coach running a program under the auspices of a very laissez faire school administration.
Parent of 2012 Grad
9:30 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
As a taxpayer, I for one would like to know what the allegations are regarding the Athletic Director. His salary certainly demands a superior performance and all the corollary standards, and if there are issues, they should be brought to light to the people who ultimately pay his salary, not just those who participate in athletics.
Please enlighten.
Cindy Cusic Micco
5:05 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
The district hired a new athletic director, Joshua Shoop, who started working for the district this summer. As a taxpayer, you (and many others) are indeed paying his salary. From everything I have heard about him, he has a very good reputation.
Dr. PR
9:52 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Grammatically speaking, you are correct that the stadium is a "locked district facility". I beleive the lock that was cut was the one on the vehicle gate to allow the ambulance in. However, the revolving gates near the visitors entrance are generally always open to allow public access to the track, etc.
PR Proud
11:47 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Thank you for the additional clarification. My point is that if a district facility is locked, there is an inherent risk if an emergency arises. For example, fire drills are supposed to be conducted in our schools on a regular basis, and to my knowledge, in Pine-Richland, they are. These are done so that in the event of an emergency, all children will be safe. If emergency exits are locked, the children would be at risk if a fire occurred. In the same vein, if the emergency exits to a stadium were locked, would a responsible coach not find a safer venue for her players to practice? Fortunately, the injury to the PR girls soccer player was not life-threatening, but her pain must have been agonizing and unnecessarily prolonged because her coach did not consider the possible consequences of her ill-advised decision(s).
Fred Freitag
12:01 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Dr. PR - don't those "revolving gates" only allow people to exit (only revolve one way - that being "out") - not enter? As such, they don't permit complete ingress and egress to and from the facility. I believe that as part of the revolving gate they have "fingers" which preclude someone from entering through those "revolving gates".
Dr. PR
1:04 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I am not sure, but will check next time I walk. I seem to remember coming in and going out through those same gates (I thought they turn each direction).
Dr. PR
9:27 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
Checked - those gates spin each direction so you can go in and out.
Fred Freitag
10:02 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
Hi Dr. PR. I'm sure you're correct. However, I have been there many times where they only "spin" one way - to exit the facility. That's actually why I even made the statement to begin with because usually they only spin to allow one to exit and not enter the facility.
I don't know when you were there to "check" in the gates but it could be an unlikely coincidence as to me and my history.
Not to challenge you or anything, but I will check them out the next time I'm there to be certain of my statement.
However, thank you for your continued effort, objectivity, and honesty!
Setting the Record Straight
10:11 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
The right people are afraid to speak up in this community, because of people who facilitate these rumors and bash hard-working people unfairly and publicly. This is BULLYING at its finest.
Where does everyone get their information? I commend Cindy Micco for not facilitating false information. You fail to report your own name on a public site, but you lob charges at people with no consequence. Why is that? Maybe, THE FACT is that you have no real facts.
The folks who are commenting anonymously are revealing themselves through their writings. (Maybe we should post your names publicly, so your hidden agendas would be revealed.)
Imagine if someone defamed you or your family on the intranet or shared false information about your professional life like you do with true leaders like Dr. Bucci, the soccer coach or any other folks you attack?
If you have no professional life, how can you even speak about the merits of public office or maintaining a career and a family? I appreciate these folks who are trying to bring our community together on this site rather than rip it a part. We take the high road in every sense imaginable.
Fred Freitag
10:27 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Setting the Record Straight - Don't you believe in "free speech"?
Bullying is generally legally defined as an intentional act that causes harm to others, and may involve verbal harassment, verbal or non-verbal threats, physical assault, stalking, or other methods of coercion such as manipulation, blackmail, or extortion. It is aggressive behavior that intends to hurt, threaten or frighten another person. An imbalance of power between the aggressor and the victim is often involved. Bullying occurs in a variety of contexts, such as schools, workplaces, political or military settings, and others.
I don't see "bullying" going on here but an expression of opinions within a venue meant for such.
Yes, I do abhor the full anonymity or semi-anonymity a blogging venue permits where one can cowardly hide behind a blog name and crucify another but also recognize the potential seriousness of counter threats if one doesn’t remain anonymous. I don’t think that opinions expressed here is a life threatening or serious enough situation for the need of anonymity.
If someone has an opinion, they should be man/woman enough to give their name - just as you "Setting the Record Straight".
PR Proud
11:25 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I find it most interesting that you can can stand on your personal "high horse" and criticize those not choosing to reveal their name(s) on a public forum. Yet, unless your birth name is "Set the Record Straight", aren't you being hypocritical? In one breath, this coach states that she is not a trainer when it comes to concussions and should be absolved of accountability. In another (after placing her players at great risk with no trainer available), she mandates a Sunday practice with no real means to secure immediate medical assistance. Instead of calling her to task for this irresponsible act, you name-call those questioning her decision(s). As for questioning the decisions of these well-paid public figures, it is not only my right to question them, it is my/our collective responsibilities to do so. Since Dr. Bucci was given the post of superintendent of schools, have you noticed the progressive decline in PSSA score rankings when compared to other local school districts? Have you noticed the deteriorating PSSA scores of our district's palatial Eden Hall this year? Is our high school still on the state's warning list for not attaining AYP for at least one area? How is it so many other school districts near Pine-Richland are able to have at least one school having attained "Blue Ribbon" status, and we are not? The long and short of it?..... We, as a community can either listen, learn, and become involved, or we can bury our heads in the sand. I refuse to do the later.
Setting the Record Straight
10:45 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Maybe a lot of these public professionals are leaving the district, because NONSENSE like this - micro-managing community members, who believe GOSSIP.
Before you BLAME - find out why Ms. Schmitt, Mr. DiTommaso & Mr. Rossi left. (Possibly, great opportunities without public persecution?) Dr. Bucci's a true leader & will find a better opportunity. The district is now left wrestling with a huge loss.
Stop making up reasons why Dr. Bucci isn’t being retained. I haven't heard a valid reason yet. You should be MORE concerned with why she is NOT being retained.
My children love it here. My oldest child had the pleasure of interacting with Dr. Bucci time & time again. Imagine a superintendent knowing your child by name? Oh, you wanted someone to stop by the cocktail party? Sorry, she's too busy making tough decisions & improving the schools for the children during a bad economy.
Test scores have never been higher. Have you been to the classrooms? Teaching to the tests? I think not! Quit insulting the teachers, too.
Did you notice the district had to eliminate millions of dollars since she took charge? Not easy! I credit Dr. Bucci! Not everyone can have their taxes raised again & again. Maybe everyone on this site can afford higher taxes. I can't!
Think how difficult it will be for the school to find good people, when applicants search the district & discover this cyber-bullying. What a shame!
Fred Freitag
10:52 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Setting the Record Straight - the board members who voted NOT to rehire Bucci stated why. Go back and read the original article.
I/we gave opinion that we thought it was good that she wasn't rehired.
Great that your children "love it here"!.
Great that you child had the pleasure of interacting with Dr. Bucci!
Lastly, you're still in my opinion a coward.
Elizabeth
11:08 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Whats your name?
Fred Freitag
11:56 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Setting the Record Straight - You talk about "bullying". When I and others brought ongoing "bullying" to the attention of Dr. Bucci with specific facts and incidents - she did nothing to alleviate the matter in my opinion. We even sat in a room and I went through the PRSD definition of "bullying" with her just to be certain she knew what the definition was and then outlined the events which were tantamount to such.
She didn't agree that what was complained about was "bullying" by her future actions. Moreover, these incidents complained of were as between children - not adults - which in my opinion is even more grievous.
As such, I have little or no sympathy for Dr. Bucci and her reading the comments and opinions here on the Pine-Patch. In fact, maybe she will have a better understanding of what "bullying" is! I hope this is a learning experience for her in more ways than one.
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
12:35 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I had not planned to comment again on this forum, but feel it is unfair to make false statements, when the truth can be backed up by official documentation that is available to all. We have NOT fallen in PSSA scores....in fact....in all but two cases our scores have consistently increased over the past four years. That includes at Eden Hall. We also attained AYP standards, even in special education. Many of the other schools in our region, including Upper St. Clair, Fox Chapel and Mt. Lebanon, made AYP as a district but failed to attain it in the subgroup of special education. All of these PR statistics are available here: http://pinerichland.schoolwires.net/20211071074410157/lib/20211071074410157/assessment.pdf
I implore you once again......please do not make unfounded allegations. If you are going to make an accusation on a public forum such as this, then have the data to back it up. That includes citing first-hand information rather than perpetuating rumors.
Dr. PR
1:18 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
In taking a quick look at this data in the link provided, it indicates that our scores have trended upward (and certainly not decreased), while at the same time significant budget cuts were implemented. In addition, less than 10% if the kids in the district are not proficient or advanced in math and reading. While I would like to think our kids our smarter than average, its seems a little silly to think that those scores are all due to us, and not hard work and dedication by the students, teachers, and administrators.
The bottom line is that while there may or may not be issues with PR administration and teachers, test results bear witness to the fact that the kids are doing well against the metrics they are compared to both regionally and nationally (ACT Scores).
With that being said, sometimes its time for change in order to move to the next level - for whatever reason.
Community Member 545
1:04 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Did you see the Post-Gazette article?
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-north/pine-richland-school-directors-vote-to-search-for-new-superintendant-655729/
Fred Freitag
1:08 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I didn't post anything about PRSD testing results. But:
The 2012 Pittsburgh Business Times Honor Roll Rank of Pennsylvania's Public School Districts are:
1. Upper St. Clair School District, Allegheny County, (2011 Rank No. 1)
2. Unionville-Chadds Ford School District, Chester County (2011 Rank No. 3)
3. Tredyffrin-Easttown School District, Chester County (2011 Rank No. 2)
4. Radnor Township School District, Delaware County (2011 Rank No. 4).
5. Mt. Lebanon School District, Allegheny County (2011 Rank No. 6)
6. North Allegheny School District, Allegheny County (2011 Rank No. 5)
7. Hampton Township School District, Allegheny County (2011 Rank No. 9)
8. Lower Merion School District, Montgomery County (2011 Rank No. 7)
9. Central Bucks School District, Bucks County (2011 Rank No. 8)
10. South Fayette Township School District, Allegheny County (2011 Rank No. 12)
11. Peters Township School District, Washington County (2011 Rank No. 10)
12. Fox Chapel Area School District, Allegheny County (2011 Rank No. 11)
13. Wallingford-Swarthmore School District, Delaware County (2011 Rank No. 15)
14. Great Valley School District, Chester County (2011 Rank 13).
15. Lower Moreland Township School District, Montgomery County (2011 Rank No. 14).
43. Mars Area School District Butler (2011 Rank No. 58)
45. Pine-Richland School District Allegheny (2011 Rank No. 51)
Read more: Statewide Ranking Information - Pittsburgh Business Times
Fred Freitag
1:09 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I guess we need to ask our neighboring school districts what they are doing??
Fred Freitag
1:29 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Just in the Pittsburgh area:
Below are the top ten ranked school districts in the Pittsburgh area:
1. Upper St. Clair School District
2. Mt. Lebanon School District
3. North Allegheny School District
4. Hampton Township School District
5. South Fayette Township School District
6. Fox Chapel Area School District
7. Peters Township School District
8. Quaker Valley School District
9. Franklin Regional School District
10. Penn-Trafford School District
Here's a link to the article:
http://upperstclair.patch.com/articles/upper-st-clair-named-top-school-district-for-seventh-time
Fred Bloggs
10:21 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Hampton is a tiny school district. It is the ONLY school district in PA that is comprised on a single Township. Having said that - and having 3 kids that graduated from there I can say it is an excellent school district run by a competent board and Super. To try to compare it to a school the size of P-R would be unfair - but it seems they do have a good handle on the operations. Sure - there are problems with drugs, truancy, bullying - show me a school anywhere in the world where that doesn't exist and I'll show you some wonderful beachfront property in Arizona.
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
2:09 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Fred--my post was not in response to you but to a different commentator who specifically addressed PSSA and AYP results.
However--regarding your post--I would still contend that we remain competitive in our region. Here's another link that is worth considering:
http://www.pinerichland.org/20211071074410157/cwp/view.asp?A=3&Q=302690&C=56576
Regardless of which list you look at, Pine Richland is a quality school and our children are in no way receiving a sub-par education. We moved here from another state, where my children would not have had the opportunities that they have been afforded here. Also....I have friends in other local schools, even some you mentioned on your list, who have faced much harsher cuts than we have at PR. I applaud our administration, school board, teachers and staff for working so hard to come up with solutions. One of the greatest challenges is that they are issued unfunded mandates that they are expected to accommodate. Many of them have worked tirelessly to try to meet the needs of all involved, and in my opinion, have done a great job.
Fred Freitag
2:29 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Kiki - Yes, I would agree we are competitive. I don't really understand the ranking from that link you gave me when no one else uses that same criteria in calculating excellence. But I'm not a educator specifically knowledgeable about such admittedly.
I am only stating my opinion based on other reasons than our school’s local or regional or even state ranking.
If you didn’t know, I graduated from and my mother is a retired teacher from the PRSD.
In all my time here I have never seen, what is in my opinion, such chaos in the school district.
As such, I welcome a change at the top - from the addition of the new school board members and change in the administration.
Alan
5:37 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012
Setting the Record Straight - Are you friend or family with Bucci? Based on your "passionate" comments it certainly looks that way. All I know is that we are better off without Bucci. Bye Bye Bucci
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
9:05 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
All that many of us in the community are asking for is some evidence to back up the swift judgment and condemnation of Dr. Bucci. Genuine grievances should have first been presented to Dr. Bucci following her performance evaluation. She should have been given the opportunity to defend her positions, or attempt to make agreed upon changes. When it was decided not to renew her contract, then the PR community should have been given legitimate reasons why this action was being taken. This whole thing has been handled terribly It carries a shroud of secrecy and smacks of personal vendetta. I have honestly been asking for reasons because I genuinely want to know. But my inquiries have been met with hostility, resentment, and sarcasm. I did not come into this with an agenda. Monday night when I attended the board meeting, I was open to hearing both positives and negatives about Dr. Bucci, and dealing with any issues we had in a respectful and dignified manner. What shocked me most was the rude behavior of some board members towards fellow members. I believe in the law of reciprocity---a culture of negativity, rumors, in-fighting, and disrespect will have a domino effect and be perpetuated all around. What kind of example does this set for our children? Many of you commenting here serve on significant boards in our district. Let's show our children how to handle conflict in a respectful and civilized manner.
Fred Freitag
9:55 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
Additionally Kiki, there were five board members who voted against rehiring Dr. Bucci - that's more than just a personal vendetta obviously.
Fred Freitag
10:12 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
One more think Kiki - also reported in the Patch:
"Before the vote, Hawbaker said that although it might seem the issue “appeared from nowhere,” it did not.
A school board is required to express its intent on a superintendent’s contract renewal five months before the contract expires, he said, and the board was in the process of evaluating Bucci."
So, to the community at large it might seem the issue came from no where but the board it would appear had been doing their "homework" on the matter.
NotBornAYinzer
1:05 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I have a question on this statement of yours: "When it was decided not to renew her contract, then the PR community should have been given legitimate reasons why this action was being taken." Does Dr. Bucci's contract state that she must be retained beyond the contractual period? Does it also state that if contract is not renewed, specific reasons are to be given? Does anyone outside of Dr. Bucci, her representatives, and the board know what is in her contract?
Just curious, since many of us do not have any expectation that our employment will be there the next day, as Pennsylvania is a "work at will" state, which means our employer can "let us go" at any moment for any reason. A person under an employment contract, such as Dr. Bucci, has no expectation that their contract will be renewed beyond the original period. I don't understand why there needs to be a reason - the contract period was to end in June 2013, the board is to review at least 5 months prior, and a decision was made - well in advance of that 5 month time period.. You don't agree with the decision, and that's fine, but to ask or "legitimate reasons" is not required in this situation.
Whether or not Dr. Bucci was not renewed based on bias or rumors, or even legitimate reasons, is not my call as I do not attend board meetings, nor do I listen to the gossip at Giant Eagle. It sounds like the board did their part per the contractual obligations. Let's just leave it at that, and move on.
Fred Freitag
9:53 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
You could file a "Right to Know" request as to the evaluation forms used to make the decision to not rehire Dr. Bucci.
As the Patch reported, "Katie Shogan noted the data board members received from community members who filled out evaluation forms.
“Steve alluded to the fact that we asked for some community input, in an evaluation form for this,” Shogan said. “As the newer board member, that was a piece of data I took seriously.”
Shogan said the comments showed a divide “that really took me by surprise.”
“I have gotten some community feedback, again from various sources, ... and I think there is a divide and a mistrust that is pervasive and that it is too much to overcome.”
“I think we need to clear up that distrust that seems to be out there," Shogan said. "The data that I have indicates a desire for more of a community presence than what exists currently. And I am disheartened that this is the way this is happening.”"
Parent #2
10:09 am on Friday, October 5, 2012
I don't know the details of this situation but I do know that none of us should assume that the current board is completely on the right track. Can I recommend that all of you monitor these elected (and appointed) individuals to make sure that their VISION matches yours. The times I have been to board meetings, I have seen them talking in exhausting circles and at times are downright rude, unprepared and even incoherent (not all, but some). The board members that seem to take the heat the most are the only ones that I have seen act in a dignified and professional manner. All I can say is- don't assume they are on your side. Do we even know what side they are on? Or what vision they have? One has been appointed, one appears to be out for himself, one has called for tax increases every year, and the others are so fresh and I question that they have a pulse on what is going on. I cannot say that I am at all close to the details, but I hope that everyone here keeps tabs on them. You all seem very smart also. I am glad to see that there are so many people that care about the future of this district. I personally am waiting it out to see if we will send our kids there.
a mom
1:40 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Dear Parent #2,
I hope by incoherent you do not mean hearing impaired.
Parent #2
2:07 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
No- not at all. I am talking about talking in circles In a very confused and unprepared fashion. Unprepared for the topic at hand.
Tom Spoke
3:52 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Dear Parent #2,
I would love to hear a specific circumstance in which the board was "confused and unprepared". You seem so eager to give your opinion even though you admit you "don't know the details of the situation". If you are going to insult every single member of the school board, at least you can give some real facts to back it up.
Fred Freitag
4:01 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
I would agree with you Kate. Although I might not like a particular decision of the board - I'm not insinuating that they have an ulterior motive or are rude, unprepared and even incoherent. I believe that we just disagree.
Concerned Parent
8:46 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
I want to thank the board members for volunteering their time in our district. I agree that they should be monitored to make sure their VISION matches the needs of our community. I hope they will learn to agree to disagree and act in a dignified and professional manner.
Tom Spoke
9:37 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Dear Concerned Parent,
What is the "Vision" of our/your community and how do I "monitor" the school board directors? Do you think the school board directors are not concerned about the needs of our community? Why are they there? These are people who spend countless hours to figure out what is best for PR. Have you ever lasted till 12 am at a school board meeting? They have..many times. The needs of PR is clearly all the school board cares about. Disagreements among them is called DEMOCRACY...it's what out country was built on.
Concerned Parent
12:53 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
Kate,
I agree this country is about DEMOCRACY, so why are the other 3 board members being ridicule for voting to retain Dr. Bucci.
Kiki Schleiff Cherry
3:53 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
NotBornAYinzer~you're right. Legally the board is not required to state a reason. It's just the ethical thing to do. There was a day and time in this country when a situation like this would have been conducted with dignity and respect. That was when most of society still believed in treating others in the manner they would like to be treated. I guess we have lost that in our culture. I'm signing off from this forum now, as i don't really see much benefit on commenting further. We have beaten the horse to death. I still hold to my position that Dr. Bucci deserved better than the treatment she received, and I will continue to support her. But in the words of Mahatma Gandhi, "Speak only if it improves upon the silence."
NotBornAYinzer
11:34 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Shouldn't you modify that quote to be "Speak only if it improves upon the silence AND AGREES WITH MY OPINION"?
Look, the board didn't want to renew her contract. They have their reasons, and if it's not required to make public, then they don't have to do it. They provided their decision well in advance of the requirements, which is more than ethical. I'm sure that Dr. Bucci was told, or can figure out, the reasons why she wasn't retained. If not, then she shouldn't have been a leader since there is a quality in all leaders called "emotional intelligence". Go look it up, and you'll see why she should know why she isn't being retained.
And to your statement about treating others as they would want to be treated - what do you say to the parents of the poor soccer player when they asked to see the external investigator's report? Does this fall under your "deserved better than the treatment" they received? Were they treated with "dignity and respect"? I think Dr. Bucci received similar treatment by the board as the parents received from her. Ironic, isn't it?
Fred Freitag
12:18 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Hi NotBornAYinzer!
In my opinion I think that Dr. Bucci was given FAR better treatment and transparency than the Reynolds family.
Too, there is no doubt in my mind that Dr. Bucci does, or should, know exactly why her contract wasn't renewed. Moreover, she can probably ask those board members who would tell her the reasons. But the Reynolds weren't given the decency of any type of transparency whatsoever. In fact, although I already stated my opinion already, I would state again that the independent investigation was nothing more than an artifice/ploy and a deception to give the appearance of an "investigation" when the intent was nothing more than a way for them to CYA.
PineRich Mom
10:20 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
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PineRich Mom
10:36 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
I find it interesting that so man feel the board rushed the decision to not renew Dr. Bucci's contract. It was public knowledge that Dr. Bucci's contract was up for renewal in June, and many parents contacted the board to express their opinion. There are actual people in the district that took the time to get to know and vote for the board members in the last election. Several board members have spoken at PTO meetings and will often return phone calls, meet with residents or correspond via e-mail. The board in entirety is comprised of professionals and parents, and most were voted in. And P.S., Ms. Shogan was voted in unanimously by the entire board, not just the ones that voted not to renew the contract.
In my opinion, the reason Dr. Bucci did not get her contract renewed include:
+ a massive brain drain of administrators (including nearly 100 percent turnover of principals)
+ a lack of transparency in communication (snack policies and the elimination of conferences, which was not based on any sort of data on how it would benefit the primary schools, are prime examples)
+ Lack of leadership on the budget (anyone who attended budget meetings over the past three years could attest that Dr. Bucci could not articulate what we would do when we would eliminate staff or programs)
+ Poor implementation and roll out of Eden Hall
Our needs have changed. It's not personal; our kids deserve the best we can give them. I wish her the best of luck in her future endeavors.
Fred Freitag
8:32 am on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Given the latest rankings of schools in Pennsylvania where PRSD doesn't even rank - I think that Bucci not be retained was in the best interests of PRSD.
Maybe now that she's gone we can move forward instead of backwards.
Here's a link to the article:
http://pine-richland.patch.com/articles/pine-richland-unranked-on-us-news-and-world-reports-best-schools-list?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001