I was watching a show about jobs created since April 2012, swimming pools, life guards, amusement parks, people working on boardwalks at beaches. Come September these jobs are gone and unemployment goes back up. They also only count the people on unemployment, why don't they add in the people that don't have anymore unemployment but are still unemployed. He said he was going to end wasted spending, but yet he is running neck in neck with what Regan spent when he was President. Vote this bum out this November. I hate the thought of obamacare as so much garbage is in there, 20 hidden taxes, paying for abortions and it somehow will give all illegals free health care.

THERE IS NO TAX ON HOME SALES IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. THAT IS FALSE.

You might want to check your facts FACT MAN there is a 3.8% tax on capital gains over $250,000 - the only time that will impact "regular" people is when they sell there homes.

If you're making 250K on the sale of a home, then you can afford to help. How ignorant are you that you would say that's unfair? I'm willing to pay more if that means it will help others. Taxes aren't about one person; taxes are for the betterment of all people.

Jenna. Who are you to say that me selling my house and making over 250k in profit means I can afford to help. What the hell did and of the free loafers do to make my house sale profitable!! NOTHING!!! If I made a profit and chose to give to a charity then that is my FREEDOM to do so. The government has no buisness telling me what should be done with my money. Maybe there should be a tax for people not getting a job! Lets make the criminals released from jail get a job and legally repay the tax payers for their incarceration fees.

Jenna you stated that "If you're making 250K on the sale of a home, then you can afford to help. How ignorant are you that you would say that's unfair? I'm willing to pay more if that means it will help others. Taxes aren't about one person; taxes are for the betterment of all people."

Where do you get off in telling people that worked hard for their money, their homes are entitled to pay for others. Did you pay for all the remodeling that I did in my home, paid for the pool that I put in the back yard. Did you pay towards 2 of my children to go to college without financial aid and they came out with no student loans. Did you pay anything towards all the real estate that I purchases to rent out, did you pay towards my charge cards that I have (ooops I never used a credit card and never had to pay back money on interest on purchase that I couldn't afford in the first place), did you pay for my medical bills and treatments since my insurance didn't cover them in full because of my deductibles and yet I pay over 900 a month for insurance for my family. How much did you pay towards my children to go to private school between K-8 grade?

Sorry but I don't owe you anything and it is my choice what charities that I want to support and paying for people on welfare isn't one of them, yet my tax money has to pay for people that don't want to work can live off the system.

A capitol gains tax is not a "house tax." Many homes are exempt and this provision has been in place since 1997. It is not a result of the ACA. Sorry.

If it's sooooo wonderful, then why did Congress exempt themselves?
People are fools. Uneducated fools that have no concept about how business works!!!

Oh, and by the way Jenna, you are welcome to contribute any extra taxes that you want. How dare you tell someone what they can and cannot afford.
It's arrogant and presumptuous!

Jenna must think she has the right to tell other people that because she will get free obamacare. Remember the blood suckers at the bottom want all the can get for free, they don't believe in helping themselves, they want others to do it for them.

Ted Nugent supports the NRA and I'm all for it.

Ted Nugent is an idiot. Mouth breathers everywhere listen to his words and think that he is somehow relevant. The NRA is good for gun owners and bad for politics.

Drew Lehman please back up your information that Ted Nugent is an idiot. Is that your opinion?

Anyone but Obama. Nugent will do nicely, actually!!

Dee I agree there, Mickey Mouse would be better than obama.

g doyle we live in America and Lou Pietosi has a right to say what is on his mind. obamabinliar hasn't tried to take that right away from us yet, but I see that coming if he is elected again. Who are you to say Lou is saying half truth as if you read all of obamacare there are 20-21 hidden taxes in there.

Well written...The major difference I see between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans are close-minded, negative, and even hateful. Despite GOP claims to be on the side of God, they do not spread a holy message, but one of hate. Don't you think God wants all of his people to have healthcare? Doesn't God want us to help others? Every single one of our ancestors were immigrants at one point. Liberals are able to listen and consider both sides of an argument without being judgmental. If you are spreading messages of lies and hate, then I suggest you go to church and pray about how you can become a better, more loving person to serve God.

Jenna Anders "The major difference I see between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans are close-minded, negative, and even hateful. There are Democrats that are also close-minded, negative and even hateful too, so why blame everything on the Republicans. obama isn't the best thing since sliced bread, in fact he is far from it. You might want to have your taxes raised to pay for obamacare but I don't. Why didn't they try to pass a bill that if your single you pay a flat fee of $250 a month for healthcare if your rich or poor. If you need a family plan you pay $500 for the first 4 in the family and then for anyone above 4 you pay another extra $50. obama is pushing entitlement on us, and millions more are going to be added on to new healthcare that someone is going to have to pick up the slack. Tell me does it cost more to treat a rich person as it does a poor person. NO it doesn't, so why should the rich have to pick up the slack of paying more taxes for obamacare, for the ones that can't afford healthcare.

Henna you obviously have drank all of the koolaid! If the democrats are so loving and respectful of both sides of the arguement then why do they always divide everyone into groups black white Latino, always make everything class warfare and why do they hate people who work hard and make lots of money. Look at the amounts of donations to charities by dems vs republican. You will see many more Republicans giving then dems. You have google look it up. Taxing me to give to my neighbor is not charity it is redistribution of wealth plan and simple. Me choosing to give to a charity of my choice is charity and that is what God tell us to do and says the poor will always be among us. I AM WILLING TO GIVE A LENDING HAND TO ANYONE BUT A HANDOUT TO NO ONE!!

ml what size tshirt do you were i'll buy you one from the site http://shop.cafepress.com/obama-bin-lying

Lou totally understand where your coming from as I am also Italian. If you hold my hand then I have a hard time speaking;. I'm behind you on obamabinliar trying to take our rights away. No jobs but gives banks and big business money for upper management to get big pay raises, bonus. What about the little people, there have been more jobs lost under obama then under bush. He patted himself on the back for doing nothing at all. He needs to go before he takes away all of our rights as Citizens of the United States.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/would-obamacare-health-care-reform-tax-sale-your-home-probably-not

Fact Man, that is a blog that you are posting info from, back that up with proof.

I guess you should just call an accountant. IF you have lived there longer than 2 years and you PROFIT--not the sale price--the profit--is > 250,000 then there is a capitol gains tax. IT is not an ACA tax as some have said. Look, if you hate the idea of 40 million people getting covered and truly do not think that will lower health care costs, then fine, but lets be truthful about the law.

FactMan this is an obamacare tax that is being thrown in on top of what your already paying on a capital gain. Go read some more and get your facts straight. This tax is for paying for all the people to get free medical welfare coverage on top of the ones that are getting it now.

1. Government has not "taken over" education. You are free to attend public or private schools or home school.
2. The affordable care act does not "take over" health care. It made several SMALL reforms notably allowing small business to deduct health care costs from their taxable income for the first time EVER. Read up about the Swiss system. It is similar in a small manner to some provisions in the ACA. Swiss spend less, get more, and are all covered!
3. BANKING: It was the DEREGULATION of banking that allowed a few irresponsible people to crash the system. Congress hasn't even implemented much of Dodd-Frank! Read up on what happened after we allowed banks to act as investment firms. IT has not been good.
4. If the coal industry is so effective why are the states where it is strongest among the poorest? (WV, Kentucky...) The EPA has made modest changes to their most polluting practices. The still make a ton of $.

The minor energy, health, and finance changes made merely were made to attempt to avoid the issues we have had in the past:
ENERGY: avoid pollution, monopolies, and price gauging
HEALTH: controlling costs, covering 40 million people so we do not have to pay for their severe conditions (offers prevention). Unless you prefer they just die.
FINANCE: Do I need to remind you about dervitives, and REIT's?

Fact Man - Is this your opinion or do you actually have proof to back up your information. Because what you say and what is actually fact is two different things.

OK JUST ME, you ask for facts, then give a nonspecific opinion, so I am not sure what you need???

Fact Man give me the article and sources where you got this information from. I read all the time and I am truly interested in where people get facts from and not opinions from.

Noone has forced anyone to "spread the wealth." Governments by definition tax and spend. If you prefer not to have a government please consider Somalia.

Lou, I too know a lot of Italians that if you hold their hands they can't speak. I understand what your doing with switching to capital letters for some words. Your holding your thumb against your 4 fingers and talking. Sure do love Italians and watching them talk.

Roger so true. Ford was the only car company that didn't beg for help from our government and fixed their finances on their own. According to the New York times "Ford Plans to Hire More Than 7,000 Workers" January 10, 2011DETROIT — The Ford Motor Company said on Monday that it planned to hire more than 7,000 workers in the next two years. Ford, during a presentation at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, said it would add 4,000 hourly jobs and 750 salaried positions this year and at least 2,500 hourly jobs in 2012. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/business/11ford.html

They did this on their own with NO HELP OF THE GOVERNMENT or obama

A big part of GM's sales are to the federal government, or to local governments through federal grants to buy electric (Volt) cars. The bailout continues, just through less obvious methods.

Look at chrysler! Thanks to the bailout they are now hiring thousands back and were saved from bankruptcy. Lastly, the CEO of Chrysler, Sergio Marchoine, has said that Chrysler would not have survived without the bailout.

I had nothing against the bailouts, originally. It worked well back in the '70's for Chrysler. But I did object afterwards. A large portion of GM and Chrysler was given to the Unions, who refused to make any concessions. I could see it if concessions had been made. I was just in Detroit for two weeks. It's still a ghost town.

Sue, I agree Detroit is a ghost town. Go look at the prices of homes up there. You can buy a 2 bedroom, 1 bath home up there for 10,000.

Yes Chrysler is going to hire back another 1,000 new hires at 14 an hour, what about all the ones that were laid off that were told they would be called back when business picked up. How are the ones making 14 an hour going to feel when they find out the guy standing next to him is making so much more, because of the union workers. It was a slap in the face to all the people that got laid off and promised jobs when business picked up.

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DETROIT — Chrysler Group LLC gave a big boost to the battered Michigan economy Friday when it announced plans to add about 1,100 workers to help build the new Jeep Grand Cherokee.

The company made the announcement at a Detroit factory as it celebrated the start of Grand Cherokee production. Chrysler said it expects strong sales of the new sport utility vehicle, which is due in showrooms next month.

Almost all the workers will be new hires, which Chrysler can pay about $14 per hour, about half the hourly rate received by current workers represented by the United Auto Workers union. The workers will staff a second shift at the factory, called the Jefferson North Assembly Plant, starting July 19.

seen2mch, as a registered Democrat, I was not in a coma for those years. I watched the country grow with 4-5% unemployment, wealth increase in the wallets of most Americans. Remember the regulations necessary to stop the Wall St debacle in 2008. I also remember people buying homes they could not afford. I watched people run up an average of $10,000 on each credit card they carried. I watched people living life in American as if nothing was wrong.

Obviously, the changes of the past three years have not been to your liking. Why do we still have unemployment at 8.2% (real underemployment at about 15%)? Why are businesses not spending money, money that is in their coffers, money that could hire people? What happened to the nearly $1T that was spent under the guise of stimulus? Why has the deficit trended upward to levels beyond all the previous Administrations combined?

The optimism of 2008 has vanished. Where is the vision and leadership? The "hope and change" has now been shown to be a farce. Why are fellow Democrats bailing out of the Convention? There is nothing in the "forward" movement that has any substance. The rhetoric of 2008 has been shown hollow, so there is no reason to believe it in 2012.

seen2mch, did you not see the war that obamabinliar added on to the two wars, that I have 2 nephews over there still. Where was Clinton when he knew that Bin Laden was planning an attack on American and did nothing about it?

Stocks plunged on August 4, 2011 in their single worst day since the 2008 financial crisis. The Dow tumbled 512 points, its ninth deepest point drop ever, as fear about the global economy spooked investors especially after the debt reduction dead President Obama signed. All three major indexes tumbled more than 4% and The Dow, Nasdaq and S and P 500 have all fallen 10% in just the last 10 days
Are you nuts blaming everything on Bush. Obama did nothing for our country except for given us obamacare which the majority of the people still don't want.
GROW UP SINCE YOU SEEN2MCH must be the only racist around since no one in any of the threads on the Patch about obamabinliar have brought up the fact that he is black. But for your information he is bi-racial, just as much black as he is white since his mother was white. Every thing he promised before 2008 election didn't come true, he had to threaten those in Washington to get obamacare placed into law.

seen2mch, why is gas so much more expensive than when Bush was in office. Why does this president bend over backwards to Muslim countries and couldn't even show the Queen of England respect when he went there to visit. He wasn't invited to Prince Williams and Kate's wedding because they said he was the most ignorant man that they met. What jobs has obama created? I know to many people that are out of work, ran out of unemployment and losing their homes because obama hasn't done anything for them. Answer me one question, why are you playing the race card?

Gas prices peaked at $4.21 a gallon under George W. Bush, the highest they have reached under Obama has been around $3.90. Also, the Obamas were not invited to the royal wedding because of security issues. Although, really, who cares? I hate weddings, myself, I think they're a waste of time and money. There was also no disrespect to the queen by either of the Obamas. Michelle did not curtsy, but that is American policy. JustMe, you seem to be suffering a disconnect. On the one hand you say, "Obama has brained washed people with entitlement, get a job and quit depending on people to support you." but on the other hand you say, " I know to many people that are out of work, ran out of unemployment and losing their homes because obama hasn't done anything for them." So, tell them to get a job and not expect Obama to support them.

Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 -- Gas Today, $3.64 -- Highest Average Price in Calif., $4.20 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gas-when-bush-left-office-178-gas-today-364-highest-average-price-calif-420
(CNSNews.com) – The average price for one gallon of unleaded gasoline has increased nearly every month since Barack Obama was inaugurated in January 2009. At that time, when George W. Bush was leaving office, the price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years and one month later, the average price is $3.64.

In addition, according to the average price data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices (in nominal dollars: not adjusted for inflation) peaked during Bush’s second term at $4.09 per gallon in July 2008 and then fell to $2.15 in November, when there was an election, and fell further in December 2008 to $1.68 per gallon.

When Bush entered office in January 2001, the price was $1.47 per gallon. (It peaked in Bush’s first term at $2.02, in October 2004.)

Under President Obama, prices have not fallen below $2.05 per gallon since April 2009, and the highest average price, so far, was $3.93 in May 2011.

This week, CBS News reported that a shell station in Lake Buena Vista, Fla., was charging $5.99 per gallon for premium, and another station in Orlando, Fla., was charging $5.79 per gallon for regular unleaded. The average price in Florida is $3.67 for unleaded. (Continue)

The AAA Web site lists the average regular fuel prices for each of the 50 states, showing California with the highest average at $4.20.

The U.S. city average for the price of one gallon of unleaded gasoline, as documented by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics -- from when Barack Obama was elected in November 2008 to today -- is presented below:

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Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 -- Gas Today, $3.64 -- Highest Average Price in Calif., $4.20 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gas-when-bush-left-office-178-gas-today-364-highest-average-price-calif-420

2008

November $2.15 Barack Obama defeats John McCain in presidential race

December $1.68 Last full month for President George W. Bush

2009

January $1.78 Barack Obama inaugurated as president (Jan. 20)

February $1.92

March $1.94

April $2.05

May $2.26

June $2.63

July $2.54

August $2.62

September $2.57

October $2.56

November $2.66

December $2.62

Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 -- Gas Today, $3.64 -- Highest Average Price in Calif., $4.20 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gas-when-bush-left-office-178-gas-today-364-highest-average-price-calif-420

2010

January $2.73

February $2.65

March $2.78

April $2.85

May $2.86

June $2.73

July $2.73

August $2.74

September $2.70

October $2.79

November $2.85

December $2.98

2011

January $3.09

February $3.16

March $3.54

April $3.81

May $3.93

June $3.70

July $3.65

August $3.63

September $3.61

October $3.46

November $3.42

December $3.27

2012

January $3.381

February $3.64*

Kelly Burgess -when George W. Bush was leaving office, the price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years and one month later, the average price is $3.64. Gas has gone up $1.86 under Obama

When Bush entered office in January 2001, the price was $1.47 per gallon and when he left office gas was at $1.78. In the 8 years Bush was in office gas prices went up $.31

Big difference Bush 8 years in office gas raises .31
obama in office 3 1/2 years gas prices went up $1.86

Those very low gas prices in Late 2008 and early 2009 were an anomoly as a result of the recession. They were not precipitated by any specific action by Bush - unless you blame him for the recession, of course, as many do. The fact is that the president, regardless of who it is, has almost no control over gas prices. They are determined by complex, international, economic and supply factors.

20 Year Resident of Baldwin/Whitehall, but sorry I don't agree with you at all. I am not a rich but live comfortably off the money that I make and still have one more left in high school. I have worked 2 jobs when 2 of my children were in college to pay tuition for them so they aren't slammed with being in debt 40,000 or more when they start their lives. I never used credit cards and pay for everything in cash, if I don't have the cash in hand then I don't purchase it. Guess what when you don't have credit cards and aren't paying out thousands of dollars in interest to companies every year you have more money in your pocket to enjoy life on. If there is something that I truly want and don't have the money I'll get a second job till I can afford it. Why do people that have to much owe you anything, they worked hard for what they have, invested their money so they could have the lifestyle that they live and don't owe you anything. How can you say they don't give to the right organizations. Can you tell me what the right organizations are to give to? I prefer to donate to Children Hospital, Mesothelioma Cancer Alliance and Red Cross. obama has brained washed people with entitlement, get a job and quit depending on people to support you. Romney in 2012 not obama.

20 Year Resident of Baldwin/Whitehall - Go to the Mormons web site and find out how much money and help that they give the less fortunate . http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng you might learn something about their religion if you went and read about them. You don't know anything about their religion since you can make a rude statement " Call me a bleeding heart liberal, but it is right to help our own, and those with the most don't necessarily give enough or give to the right organizations (Mitt Romney's tithing to his church won't feed the homeless youth in L.A.)." Do you actually know how much money Mitt Romney gives to his church and how do you know it won't feed the homeless in L.A.
Mitt Romney Charitable Donations Exceed other Christian 2012 Candidates-Mitt Romney

After reading the article on Mitt Romney, I was very impressed. Not only does he give time to charitable causes, but he donates around 14% to charity including: the LDS church, health causes such as cancer research, etc., and numerous other charities for humanitarian efforts. Additionally, when he was elected to office, he didn’t take pay so the funds could be used elsewhere to help the state out. He has also said he wouldn’t take the $400,000 annual salary if he was elected president. http://graceforgrace.com/2011/08/25/mitt-romney-charitable-donations-exceed-other-christian-2012-candidates/

Obama Gave Only 1% Of Income To Charity March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.
The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.
Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman, said the Obamas gave as much as they could afford. He also said the Obamas gave $240,000 to charity in 2007, though they have yet to make last year's tax returns public.
``As new parents who were paying off their large student loans, giving $10,000 to charity was as generous as they could be at the time,'' Burton said. The tax returns don't reflect any donations for which they didn't or couldn't claim a deduction or any volunteer work they might have performed.
The Obamas' giving pattern is consistent with that of most other Americans, said University of Georgia Professor Russell James, who has studied the issue.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a.dMoapeTcME&refer=us

Seems that Mitt Romney gives more to Charities than you beloved obama does

The Romney's are required to tithe, it's a tenet of the Mormon church. And when your net worth is $200 million, you can afford to be generous. However, what Mitt Romney donates to charity and what charitable acts the Mormon church engages in are two different topics and have nothing to do with the presidential race. We're electing a person, not a church.

Kelly - Did you actually know what tithing is? It is supporting your church so that they can keep the doors open so that you have a place to worship.
Baptist, Catholics, Jew, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodist, Muslim and even the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (this is an actual church btw), requires that people donate money to keep their Churches going.

Obama's made in 2011 $1,728,096 and they didn't even donate a whole 1% of their income between their church and charities, they donated $10,000. If they would of donated a whole 1% then they should of donated $17,281 Obama's made over 1 million last year and they could of been generous with their money and gave a whole 1%. Their church require 10% of their income as tithing, but the obama's don't even donate this. For the record if you make over a million in one year then you do have the money to pay off their student loans. You have to remember that they live for free in the Whitehouse at our expense. Lets just face it that obama's are cheap.

seen2mch, you can't blame people losing their homes on the government, it was their own stupidity that they purchased things they couldn't afford. Union Bus Drivers created their own mess when they demanded to much from the company. Some of the unions like the bus drivers created their own mess with Port Authority. They are the only union I know that they didn't have to put in any of their money towards their pension, their medical insurance and their other perks. I say let the Port Authority go out of business and maybe a company like Bain can purchase them and get them back on track. I know Labor Unions pay for their own insurance, put their money towards their retirements, don't get 6 weeks vacation paid like Port Authority bus drivers. Teachers need to be held accountable for teaching our children, and making sure they get the best education since they want big bucks.

Obama is a liar and the only thing that he has done is spend trillions in money on stimulus that did not work. bailed out big businesses that didn't create any more jobs, shoving obamacare down our throats that is going to put America in the poorhouse in trillions of dollars because they are giving more people free welfare. I would rather see a health care system that everyone paid the same amount of money to insure themselves and their family. Single person pays 250 a month, family pays 500 a month then it would be all equal, not make the rich pay for the ones that think they are entitled to everything for free.

Debralee good question that I would love the democrats to answer. Make all the rich pay them because they deserve to be supported and not work, quit over spending, running up charge cards they can't afford to pay, purchasing homes that cost them more than 65% of their salary and have no back up money in case they are laid off or out of work because of an injury. obama preaches entitlement. My parents taught me that you work for everything you have, don't over spend and to save money for a rainy day and don't depend on anyone to support you as your capable of going out there and supporting yourself.

OK, The President has not apologized to anyone. What The President is doing is simply leveling the playing field so people who want to work can have the opportunity to do so. You have to understand that the middle class is shrinking under conservative trickle down economics. Wealth has been concentrated is a very small group. That is not America.

Lou - I can't take reading any more of your horrible spelling and pointless cap locks.

Fair point on Fannie and Freddie. Dodd and Frank are now both out.
Speaks to the influence of the financial system on our government. Now worse by citizens united. However, only a very small amount of the financial bailout under George W was due to low income loans. The majority was from overvalued homes, private equity, and private poorly designed loans. It was the private sector and greedy companies, not government that collapsed the system.

Fact man during the Bush Administration who had control of the Senate, House of Representatives, Congress? As I remember it was the Democrats so why blame everything on Bush. Remember Bush was left a mess from the Clinton Administration to clean up and every time he made a speech he did not blame Clinton, as every speech you here from obama that he blames Bush.

Factman you forgot to say that it was also people that overspent on homes that they couldn't afford. At the time of the economy, those homes were not over priced, but when the market crashed then they all became overpriced.

"Every Speech?" You are simply repeating RNC talking points. I am not blaming anyone for anything. Economies can be managed by government, but they are controlled by private interests. Clinton got a bit lucky with the dot com boom, W Bush cut taxes, spent money, deregulated, and fought 2 wars, its tough to say that was not deliberate. At the end of W's term it was a perfect storm of unregulated wall street mess and the European central bank meltdown.

Fact Man, it was the Democrats that were running the show in the house and congress, not the republicans. They are the ones that sent the bills to Bush for him to sign. We can't take responsibility for what happen in Europe, that was their doings. You have to remember Bush wanted to tighten up Wall Steet and the bank but the house and senate couldn't and didn't want to put a bill together. Also what Country did obama decide to attack while he was working on pulling people out of IRAQ, or is this suppose to be forgotten.

Let me guess Lou. You did not leave the democratic party. The democratic party left you! Does that sound right?

LOU! He had spend all his time cleaning the mess left to him

Bob Balmer ! - Obama has spent more time on vacation or golfing than he has on cleaning up anyone's mess. When will Obama and his supporters stop whining about inheriting problems? What president has not inherited problems? Reagan inherited the mess left by inept Carter, Clinton was left with a recession which started during Bush 41, Bush 43 was left with the economic aftermath of the false stock market bubble under Clinton and terrorism which was left unchecked. Everyone has leftover problems but the difference I see is that Obama never owns any problems and is bereft of solutions. He and his cronies know only how to point fingers and whine, "It's not my fault." He also is unable to tell the truth. He falsely claims that 4.4 million American jobs were lost in 2008 prior to the annointed one's presidency. That’s a lie because, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 2.8 million jobs were lost in 2008. That is a full 1.6 million less than Obama claims, meaning he inflated the number by almost 40%. He and his supporters claim that 4.2 million jobs have been created under Obama. That’s interesting, because, again according to the BLS, the total number of Americans employed has shrank 322,000 under Obama. How could Obama have created 4.2 million jobs throughout his presidency when total employment has actually shrunk by 322,000? With your man, it is like the old saying, "Figures don't lie, but liars figure."

bd i have to agree with everything you say and obama does need to go.

nobody can wave a magic wand and create jobs.

sorry Tom but Lou does not have and neither do you. the only thing republicans have offered is tax cuts for the rich. how has that worked for us

bob balmer how can you say that neither Tom nor Lou has it right. Where is the facts to back up your statement. It is so funny that Democrats say that it isn't right but yet they show no proof to back up their statements and others are suppose to believe what they say is the Gospel truth. Give me a break, if you can't back up your information then it is only your opinion.

Kat Women, the senate, house and congress were mostly democrats when Bush was in office? So how do you explain that it was just Bush that gave tax breaks to the rt ich. You don't think Congress, Senators did not benefit from these breaks. Think again. Obama is giving free healthcare to people and who is suppose to pick up this bill for this, oh I forgot entitlement the rich must support the poor cause it is the right thing to do. There are ones that could of worked over the last 20 years but they chose to sit on their butts and collect welfare, cash assistance, food stamps and they think they are entitled to what the rich has. Abortions are legal in the United States and under obamacare we are going to be paying for them, even though they said different when they pushed it. The Catholic Church should not be forced to purchase obamacare because abortions are against their religion. When Obama got into office, he stopped the national day of Prayer for Christians but allowed a day for Muslims in Washington DC, why is that?? Were not allowed to put up Christmas decorations but Muslims are allowed to hold up traffic in the state capital so they can pray in the middle of the street. To purchase a gun you have to pass a criminal background check and to carry you need a license that the government makes money off of. I hope obama is voted out of office so that America can get back to normal.

Jean,
I was a little surprised to read your statement that "When Obama got into office, he stopped the national day of prayer for Christians ..."

I guess I was surprised because we wrote a story on Pine-Richland Patch about singing star Jackie Evancho (who lives in Richland) performing for the National Prayer Breakfast. The president, first lady and many others were there. Here is a link to the Feb. 2, 2012, story and video:
http://pine-richland.patch.com/articles/jackie-evacho-performs-to-believe-at-national-prayer-breakfast

Of course, this is different from the National Day of Prayer, so I went directly to the National Day of Prayer website for information. This is what is on the site:

"In 1952, a joint resolution by Congress, signed by President Truman, declared an annual, national day of prayer. In 1988, the law was amended and signed by President Reagan, permanently setting the day as the first Thursday of every May. Each year, the president signs a proclamation, encouraging all Americans to pray on this day."
http://nationaldayofprayer.org/about/history/

No mention of Obama canceling it. I think it would take a vote from Congress to do that, wouldn't it?

Continuing my previous post:

"On May 1st, President Obama signed this year’s Presidential Proclamation officially recognizing Thursday, May 3rd, 2012, as the 61st Annual National Day of Prayer. In his proclamation, he calls upon individuals – “ to pray for guidance, grace, and protection for our great Nation as we address the challenges of our time.” As we join together and ask with humility, may God Almighty, in His great and abundant mercy, grant this request," according to the National Day of Prayer website.
http://nationaldayofprayer.org/?s=obama

Here is a snopes.com link that you might find interesting. It quotes four sources at the end of the article:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Obama ends Bush-era National Prayer Day service at White House

For years, it's been a staple of the White House calendar.

On the first Thursday of May, dedicated as the National Day of Prayer, President George W. Bush hosted an ecumenical service in the East Room, a big public endorsement of evangelical Christians. (This event is different from the National Prayer Breakfast, held outside the White House gates every year on the first Thursday of February.)

President Obama opted not to have a service in the White House this year.

read more here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/05/obama-cancels-national-prayer-day-service.html

Obama Cancels National Day of Prayer Service http://voices.yahoo.com/obama-cancels-national-day-prayer-service-3277520.html
The National Day of Prayer, first designated by President Truman and made permanent by President Reagan, was celebrated by an ecumenical service in the White House by President George W. Bush every first Thursday in May.
This will no longer be the case. President Obama, apparently listening to complaints by atheists and others who hold that holding a religious service, no matter how inclusive, constitutes an official endorsement of religion, has canceled the National Day of Prayer service. This cancellation in turn has miffed evangelical Christians who see it as a slighting of religion.

The subject of religious observances have proven vexing for President Obama before. For many years Barack Obama attended the prestigious Trinity United Church of Christ then presided over by the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Reverend Wright's invective filled sermons were played and replayed repeatedly on television and talk radio and proved to be very embarrassing to the then Presidential candidate. Barack Obama, who was married at the Trinity United Church of Christ and considered at one time Reverend Wright as his spiritual advisor, was obliged at last to leave the church and to repudiate Reverend Wright.

Jean Smith, Obama didn't cancel National Day of Prayer at all. That was one of those rumors referred to in this thread. In fact, the National Day of Prayer website already has the clock up counting down to the 2013 event, as well as Obama's proclamations from 2010, 2011 and this year. http://nationaldayofprayer.org/

Zandy I was reading what Jean Smith wrote checked the article link that she posted, about canceling the National Day of Prayer and in 2009 obama did cancel it In Jean's post if you would of checked the sited source it came from the Washington Post. That is a legit paper and not snopes.

Just Me, I think there's confusion about the National Day of Prayer observance by our nation vs. an ecumenical service held by President George W. Bush in the East Room of the White House in observance of the National Day of Prayer. Bush was the only president to hold the service regularly, although Reagan held it once as did George H.W. Bush. Obama, like many of his predecessors, has chosen not to hold the service. But he never canceled National Day of Prayer. The event has been held as always in many communities, including Monroeville for one, during Obama's presidency. All you have to do is check the National Day of Prayer website to see that Obama has issued proclamations declaring National Day of Prayer during his presidency. I think there's no doubt we can all believe the actual National Day of Prayer website: http://nationaldayofprayer.org/news/2010-presidential-proclamation/2012-proclamation/

I think Zandy summed it up well.

The ceremony is not required by the bill that established the National Day of Prayer. George W. Bush chose to hold a ceremony yearly; no other presidents had the service yearly.

"Under Bush, the day was a political event, confirming that religion was a core tenet of Republican politics," according to a Los Angeles Times article.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/08/nation/na-prayer8

The less evangelicals are involved in government the better!!!!!!

Actually every year we went down to DC for the National Day of Prayer and were pissed off that it wasn't going to be held on the White House Lawn in 2009, as it was held there every year since 1992. All the presidents since 1992 opened the Front Lawn of the White House for the National Day of Prayer. In 2009, this wasn't meant to be as obama wouldn't allow it this year, because on the advice of atheist and muslims not wanting this to happen on the front lawn of the White House.

This is what Mitt Romney's religions does: http://ldscharities.org/?lang=eng
Emergency Response -The Church strives to provide immediate assistance following disasters. The Church provides food and other relief supplies as needed. In 2009 the Church provided millions of dollars in relief aid.
Clean Water - Access to clean water improves health and family hygiene. The Church assists communities to establish wells and other drinking water systems to provide access to clean water. The Church also helps communities establish local water committees and provide hygiene training. The community donates labor and materials. Over 6.4 million people now have access to clean water because of this program.
Neonatal Resuscitation Training - This training saves the lives of newborns who struggle to breathe at birth. The Church provides skill training and resuscitation equipment to doctors, nurses, and midwives. Since 2002, over 168,000 health care workers have been trained in these life-saving techniques.
Vision Care - By improving the quality of eye care treatment delivered by local health care organizations, blindness and visual impairment may be avoided. The Church provides training, equipment, and supplies to assist local eye care professionals and programs. Since 2003, 506,000 people have benefited from Church vision projects throughout the world.
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http://ldscharities.org/?lang=eng
Mobility Assistance - Provides mobility devices including wheelchairs for rough terrain, hospital wheelchairs, crutches, walkers, and canes to physically disabled persons. Since 2002, over 350,000 people have received a wheelchair or other mobility assistance device.
Food Production - Raises the quality of life for urban and rural families through improved food production and nutrition. Since 2002, over 31,000 people have benefited from this program.
Immunizations- Through ministries of health and the World Health Organization, Church contributions and local Church volunteers have provided life-saving immunizations to thousands of people. The Church has participated in 51 nationwide immunization campaigns in 35 countries since 2003.

For your information "20 Year Resident of Baldwin/Whitehall", I come from a family of Blue Collar workers and I learned from my parents not to overspend on things that I cannot afford. I also volunteer at food banks, spend Thanksgiving down at Jubilee Kitchen in serving Thanksgiving Dinners to the poor and homeless. I also volunteer at the Senior Citizen Center down in the South Side, Habitat For Humanity and donate money to the Charities of my choice. So don't ever tell me that I never looked at a homeless child or destitute family.
obama chose to go to ivy league college and not a state college so it was his own fault that he ran up hundred of thousands of dollars in student loans and is so cheap that he can only donate 10,000 to charity. obama doesn't do anything for charities is what it boils down too. Mitt Romney when he was Governor didn't take a pay check and he said if he was elected President he wouldn't take one either. obama's wife spends more on running the staff in the white house in one year that what Barbra Bush spent in the 8 years that she was in the White House.

JustMe - again, the facts do not back up your statements. First of all, it was Laura Bush who was in the White House for 8 years. Barbara was the wife of the first President Bush. If you'll do some research, you will discover the staffing levels and annual salaries of Michelle Obama's staff is virtually identical to that of Laura Bush's. Also, with a net worth of $200 million, Romney can well afford to refuse a salary that is fairly meager relative to his annual investment income.

Kelly Burgess I do apologise that it was Laura Bush and not Barbra Bush, but the facts still are the same. Where is your proof that Michelle budget is the same as Laura Bush.

Kelly you have not back up any of your information other than using snopes which isn't a reliable source since the owners of the site are in obama's legal team. Go dig some more into the true owners of snopes., you might be surprised at what you find. truthorfiction.com is a more reliable souse of information then snopes.

You think helping yourself is nonsense. I don't. I'm sick and tired of able bodied people with their hand out expecting the tax payer to provide everything for them. I don't have a problem helping someone get thru a difficut time, but when the tax payer has to support you your whole adult life, well that I have a problem with. And I'm sick of it.

Isabella Valentine, Agree and the longer obama is in office they are going to be expecting more entitlement. I to am sick and tired of supporting able bodied people that should be working but choose to sit on their back side. These Democrats say that obama has made millions of jobs so why don't they have one of the jobs that he created and quit taking welfare.

Think of Bain as this your company will be out of buisness at the end of July and your 250 employees will be unemployed. You call Bain they come in and say will give you $1 million but we need a game plan on how you're going to get this company back on track. They review your plan and revise it some and you get a check. Now maybe your companys plan was to buy more efficient equipment and lay off 50 people. Bains plan was lay off 20 people and only buy half the equipment now and half once things turned around. Sure you had to layoff 20 but it was better then 50 and way better then 250. But Bain gets blamed for 20 job losses not saving 230. Now if you company is like Kodak who refuses to change and grow with technology then you get left behind and drive yourself out of buisness. If that company turns it around and they grow then they hire 20 people plus maybe another 50. But the free market decides what it wants to purchase and if your making good and desirable products like an ipod then you succed but if youre still making VCRs or Chevy Volt things that no one is buying the you go out of buisness. In the USA you have the right to the pursuit of happiness, success is not guaranteed but you have better shot here then most of the rest of the world.

Good job, b smith... The best campaign line so far in the cycle, "I like to fire people." Nothing said since holds a candle to this line.

This is the best person we can have in the White House for January 2013.

Laura you state that we live in a state where we must carry auto insurance? Please back this up this statement. My grandparents never drove, owned a car or had a drivers license and they are not required to carry car insurance, so your statement is false. Pennsylvania does not require you to have car insurance if you have enough financial backing and can put up bond money to pay for an accident if you cause one. All states in the United States make you carry car insurance and just not Pennsylvania, or they lose Federal money for fixing roads and bridges. We also have to carry uninsured & underinsured coverage, have to choose between no torte or full torte. How many people out there have vehicles, don't have licenses and no auto insurance?

Jean, Here is the link to the PA site highlighting the State's mandatory auto insurance laws: http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/insurance/index.shtml.
Of course if you do not own a car and/or cannot drive you do not need auto insurance and nothing in Laura's above post indicated otherwise. If you own a car and it is not insured, you are in violation of PA law.

Daniele- Laura made the statement that "We live in a state where we must have auto insurance.? I was just pointing out the fact to her that people that don't have cars, drivers license etc don't have to carry auto insurance.

In Pennsylvania you can also carry bond insurance SR 22, which is instead of purchasing a policy from Allstate, Nationwide, etc, you post money in bond and get a certificate that states that you have enough money to pay for someone vehicle if you cause a wreck. There are quite a few people that I know that carry this instead of paying for auto insurance. My boss has not paid for auto insurance in the last 10 years, as this is cheaper and he does have SR 22 on all of his vehicles. He does have to renew this every year. Pennsylvania law says that you have to have financial responsibility which most consider auto insurance but you can also have an SR 22.

Laura obama has been in office for almost 4 years and hasn't done anything for the economy. Where are the jobs that he created to get the democrats off the welfare system and back to work. obama should go back and be a wedding planner, as that is all he is good for.

Obama has over 250,000 less people on the federal government payroll that Reagan!!!
I think the tinfoil on your head produced the George Soros comment. (that was a joke)
If you think any Republican legislation benefits the middle class I would be shocked. Maybe let us know which recent (Since 2008) Republican legislation has directly benefited you.

YOU are the source of misinformation and pettiness!

Fact man back up your source of information that obama has 250,000 less people on the federal government payroll than Ronnie

FEDERAL WORKER SALARIES OF $150,000+ DOUBLE ON OBAMA’S WATCH November 10, 2010 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/federal-worker-salaries-of-150000-double-on-obamas-watch/

Federal government workers have notoriously earned more than — in many cases more than double — their private sector counterparts for a while. But a new analysis from USA Today sheds light on the shocking size and scope of pay increases for federal workers, most notably in recent years. According to USA Today, the number of federal workers earning salaries of $150,000 or more has increased tenfold over the past five years and doubled since President Obama took office in January 2009.

Graph: USA Today
While the rest of the U.S. economy remains stagnant, the fast-growing pay of federal employees has raised eyebrows among conservative Republicans. Though the GOP made significant gains during last week’s midterm elections, Republicans are wary of Democrats’ plans to approve a 1.4 percent across-the-board pay raise to 2.1 million federal workers during the upcoming lame-duck session. USA Today reports:
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who will head the panel overseeing federal pay, says he wants a pay freeze and prefers a 10% pay cut. “It‘s stunning when you see what’s happened to federal compensation,” he says. “Every metric shows we’re heading in the wrong direction.”

Michelle Obama Vs. Laura Bush in Staff Salaries. How Come
http://www.bukisa.com/articles/291160_michelle-obama-vs-laura-bush-in-staff-salaries-how-come#ixzz1zxJxQr9l

" There has been some talk about Michelle Obama and her staff payroll compared to Laura Bush and her staff payroll. Here are the results of my investigation. Michelle Obama has twenty-three (23) paid staff members which cost the American taxpayers One million two hundred and fifty-six thousand and seven hundred dollard.($1,256,700). Alot of money, right? Laura Bush had ten (10) paid staff, which cost the american taxpayers seven hundred and sixty-four thousand and nine hundred dollars. ( $764,900 )
That's a HUGE difference between salaries! But this a diffrence of four hundred, ninty-one thousand and eight hundred dollars. ($491,800)

JustMe - Maybe it is part of Obama's jobs focus. Remember, he said that the private sector was doing fine and it was the public sector holding back his recovery. So, his answer to the never-ending recession is to grow the government. He is way out of touch with reality but what should we expect from a community organizer?

JustMe - do you seriously consider Bukisa.com to be a credible source? The poster cites no reference or figures for those staffing contentions. If she had posted that Mitt Romney eats babies, would you consider that credible as well? If you had read further down, you would have seen this link to FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/) a non-partisan, fact-checking organization. In addition, Snopes.com, one of the most amazing, myth-debunking sites ever, dismissed these claims as falsehoods some time ago here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

You are entitled to you own opinions, but not your own facts, as many have said before me.

Kelly Burgess go here to the Whitehouse.gov and look up the salaries of the staff that michelle obama has and then look up the staff of laura bush, you will find out that obama has spents more money on staff then the last 4 presidents wives did.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/July1Report-Draft12.pdf

also if you look on snopes, they list how much michelle pays her staff and it is the exact same numbers that are listed on bukisa. so why are you saying that buskisa is reporting false information as it is both the same.

BTW there are things that they say are false on snopes and if you go to youtube you can find a video that disproves snopes but snopes is suppose to be the truth. give me a break

Kelly,
Seriously snopes????
Research who runs that site!

Zany have you every checked to see who owns snopes?
both snopes and factcheck both say the same information, along with the whitehouse.gov on the salaries of michelle and laura's staff and they all come out with the same information. That michelle spends way more than laura and hillary both did on staff.
Why does snopes say something is false but yet you can go to youtube.com and find a video to prove that snopes lied or did not tell the truth on obama.

Zandy, I see you took down my post about the "kitchen table," right? Didn't like it....?

Sorry, but nothing is bipartisan. Snopes has been shown to be a sham in some instances -- not to be the end-all in facts.

Actually no Roger, I didn't take down your post. I've tried to access it through multiple sites and it won't show up even though I can see part of it on the front page. I thought perhaps you'd taken it down. Try reposting?

Roger, also there is a difference between nonpartisan and bipartisan. Snopes actually started as a site to debunk urban legends, not as a political site.

Research who runs Snopes.
Your opinion will change...
Mine did.

Yes Democrats need to definitely quit drinking the kool-aid that obama is selling, he doesn't understand a lemonade stand is suppose to sell lemonade instead of kool-aid

Zandy there are true post of youtube.com as obama saying that there are 57 states and he visited them all. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm when did the United States add 7 more states and then snopes.com said that was false. Then they retracted this information as they were called out on CNN, Fox about this. They were also called out when obama didn't put his hand over his heart while saying The Pledge and obama was looking away. They have been called out on many things and have to go back and retract their information. Truthorfiction.com is a much more reliable source of information.

Zandy,
Don't quote snopes and expect to be taken a reputable journalist.
I know personally, up-close and personal that Snopes swings left, very left and fabricates much, especially lately.

Dee, As a journalist, I would never rely on just one source. I listen and read right-leaning publications, left ones and ones that play it straight down the middle. I would never rely solely on snopes.com and they are not infallable, of course, but they always cite their sources. Snopes is always a good place to start. Or PolitiFact, which even sorts the shades of truth. The best sources of information are generally the direct source. Beware of YouTube videos, though, because some have been edited—and not even well edited at that—to promote specific political causes.

kelly where is your proof that snopes.com and factcheck.org are nonppartisan, well-respected sited devoted to identifing myths and untruths in both parties. Back this statement up with facts. As both of these sites have been busted so many times for putting the incorrect information on them.

Many people do feel that it is liberally biased. “FactCheck”.org is an affiliate of the Annenberg, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers and Obama were on their board.
Source(s):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-bal…
http://albanymediabias.blogspot.com/2008…

Cc, I was on factcheck.org the other night just checking it out. There is so much left leaning bias on there I had to hold the kindle at a 45° angle to be able to read the articles. Hahaha it really is bias, unlike the good article that the patch did on the Romney stop in pgh. It was straight reporting. Nice job guys.

CC - two of your links are broken, and AlbanyMediaBias is an anti-Obama blog. You'll have to do better than that.

Then Kelly since you can't back up what you say with proof then go prove what I said was incorrect. You seem to write stuff, show now proof but say it is the truth. Every time I asked you to back something up you posted you couldn't.

Snopes non-partisan?
Really?
Do your own research.
I know personally that they are very biased and cloud the facts when they can.

Thank you. Enjoyed many of your posts on here as well. Tell the truth and and liberals run from it like the plague!

You say "cutting waste." Bain actually bought large companies, arranged them into smaller ones where they could sell off profitable sectors, then fired workers and outsourced jobs to improve the bottom line just before the sale. The parts of the company that were loosing money were then made a separate corporation which failed for bankruptcy so they could have THE TAX PAYERS pay the bills as they walked away with their profits. Should have been illegal, but it wasn't.
That is not cutting waste in my mind it is playing by a set of rules which eventually lead to the bailout and potential loss of middle class 401K's.

Fact Man - Please back up your statement that "That is not cutting waste in my mind it is playing by a set of rules which eventually lead to the bailout and potential loss of middle class 401K's." I cannot find any information that Bain has cut into the middle class's 401K. YOU AND ONLY YOU, set up how you want to invest your money in your 401K, if you invest all your money in stock and it takes a nose dive then don't blame anyone except yourself. Romney nor Bain did not make your 401K to drop, you just chose unwisely how to invest your 401K.

When you take a publicly traded stock and slash it you are affecting 401K's. IT the essential conservative economic argument for unregulated corporate growth. Trickle down economists constantly say that when corporations profit the AMerican people see gains in their retirement or 401K's. My point: do you know what is in your midcap growth fund? How about your small cap domestic fund? Probably not. So THAT is how it affects us. Too bad only such a small % of Americans even have enough money to own stock. BTW, people can only choose what is offered by their employer. So, there is only some choice.
I agree, we should have MORE choice and then --get ready-- all pensions can become self directed 401K's with even some of our social security individually invested (A GOOD BUSH IDEA!). That way all Americans would have a stake in the market and we could see what these criminals--sorry wall street firms--were doing with OUR money.

Fact Man, every year your employer should ask you how you want to invest your 401K, stock market, mutual funds, bonds, etc. You get to choose the percentage of how much you want to invest in each of the categories that are offered. I chose to invest most of mine into municipal bonds and got the best investment for my 401K and have been watching it grow every year. I do dab 5% on mine in the stock market, since my company buys into blue stock companies. I have also taken the option of investing a 10% in company stock and have lost money on that, but it is now on the rebound again. If you don't know how to invest your 401K, talk to someone in finances as they can help you figure out how and what to invest in. I am so glad that I changed my 401K after I talked to a financial manager, as I've been watching my 401K grow.

Just curious - who is in the admitted communist-loving surrounding cast?

Okay, Lou, if you don't like Snopes.com or FactCheck.org, both of which are used by both parties to prove or disprove the facts of their statements or the errors of the other side's, then where do you go when you want accurate information? And I'm also curious about the admitted communists. Who are they and how did you find out this information?

Lou,
Snopes.com is one of the 1st places I go to find out if something fact or fraud! It is a very good and accurate site.

more misinformation and pettiness

truthorfiction is a much more reliable source than snopes.com or factcheck.org. Both snopes and factcheck have been busted many of times for posting incorrect information.

Well Cindy Cusic Micco let's start with Obama's former Green Czar, Van Jones, he's an admitted communist. Then there's that lovely couple Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn. They're admitted communist. In addition, they also had a thing for setting off bombs in the 60s and 70s with a some friends known as the Weather Underground. Real nice people. Oh, and let's not forget, The New Party, which Obama was a member. He, of course, denied being a member, but lo and behold, documented proof from ACORN turns up that Obama was indeed a member. Let's see that would be lie number . . . who am I kidding, I can't keep track anymore. I suspect you don't anything about The New Party, but there's all kinds of Socialist, Communists and Marxists in The New Party.

I'm sure Lou got his information on communists from Alan West, the whacked out congressman from Florida. West called the entire Progressive Caucus of congress communists. I thought this type of behavior went out with McCarthy, but I guess for a small percentage of those on the right, name-calling and shouting is still a viable way of arguing a point.

I choose not to argue with people anymore who can't accept facts, call people names and shout their points. It's a waste of everyone's time. Facts will not change their minds - nothing will.

I've been trying to research the question "Does the Republican Party use snopes.com or factcheck.org and have not be able to come up with any information that they use of them under a reliable source for information.

Kelly can you please back up your information for your statement "both parties to prove or disprove the facts of their statements or the errors of the other side's then where do you go when you want accurate information? ' I would really love to know where you get your information from as from the searches I did, what your spreading is false information, which Democrats are great at doing.

b smith I agree and know I didn't vote for him the first time and won't be wasting my vote on his this time either.

Snopes.com is frequently cited by media organizations, from conservative-leaning Fox News to liberal-leaning MSNBC, to prove or disprove various statements, rumors, etc. In the journalistic community, to which I belong, it's extremely well-respected and considered completely apolitical. Can't wait for the communist proof! Hopefully, it will be from a credible source.

Kelly snopes.com has been called out many of times with false information and they had to go back and change their information on the site. snopes is also owned by someone on obama's legal defense team.

CC - that is completely untrue. I'm not even sure where you got that information, but it's false. Look it up.

cant wait for that

Kelly Burgess, I would like actual fact from other than snopes.com that they have never made a mistake in what they say is true or false? I have not seen you back up any of your information as to what you post, but you say it i the truth.

Kelly Burgess why don't you prove that I am not correct, you seem to post things without backing it up with reliable sources. So I'm still waiting for you to back up what you are preaching?

Is that an opinion, or do you have facts or a historical perspective for that statement? If it's opinion, that's okay, we're all entitled to our opinion, but if there are facts to back it up, I would like to know what they are because I do like to be informed.

Tom you couldn't of said it better but then your going to be called a racist for saying that, lol but do agree with you. Kelly you have not backed up any of your statements with any facts, so why do you ask others to back it up with facts.

I've backed up all of my statements with facts from respected sources. So far, I am the only one to do so.

Kelly you didn't back up anything, you just wrote words on here, how do I know your source are correct. you get them from snopes?? prove what your saying as you want everyone else to back their info up
snopes isn't the absolute truth, they post things that aren't always truthful

The Washington Monthly is mostly blogs,

he is a good article on obama's said accomplishments.
http://sirdent.hubpages.com/hub/Obamas-Accomplishments

My finances were in much better shape when Bush was president. I wouldn't have to spend an extra $1.86 a gallon on gas. Back in 2008 I was paying $80 a month for gas for 2 vehicles now I'm putting in $163.80 for the same amount of gas that I use a month. My food bill for the month has gone up over $150.00 a month since obama has been in office. Now that they passed obamacare, millions of people won't have to pay for healthcare so that means that my taxes will be going up to pay for all the people that are going to have free heathcare and they are going to pass the buck to the people that pay higher amounts in taxes. I had to pay over 20,000 to the IRS this past April, over what was taken out of my paycheck. So I personally think that I was better off 4 years ago when Bush was in office.

Local Scientist, you were lucky to buy stocks when the market crashed under obama, but you are still paying more for gas, food cost, utilities then when Bush was in office. I invested in the stock market also and it goes up and down depending on what companies you purchased. There is no guarantee that your stock portfolio won't crash next week, that is a gamble that everyone takes when you play in the market. Be prepared for your taxes to go up because someone is going to have to pay for the health care that millions are going to get for free. Any one can purchase a home as long as they got a nice down payment and have high credit scores. There are still many of people losing their homes and obama hasn't done anything to fix this as he promised.
If you truly think your going to be able to have an early retirement, you should go check out suzi orman site and see if you can truly afford an early retirement. I truly hope you can as I know people that have retired in their mid 50's and now had to go back to work full-time as they couldn't afford their retirement anymore.

Here's what I have found: Snopes was created in 1995 by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a California couple who met on the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. . Barbara now works on the site full time, while David, works on the site part time.
While I can't prove it, I too am somewhat suspect of their leftward bent given their take (or lack thereof) on several Obama stories. An example is their take on the Obama/Ayers connection as opposed to truthorfiction.com's take on the same subject. Snopes tends to minimize the connection categorizing the rumor as a 'Partial Truth' while truthorfiction does not downplay the connection at all, calling it a 'Truth', and in fact references a CNN(surprise, surprise) expose of the two, as well as a Wall Street Journal article about their connection. Snopes not only does not reference either source cited above, but instead lists a quote from an Obama spokesman as it's main source(what a spin), leaving one to believe they are mere acquaintances.
Please compare these two entries
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-ayers.htm
Here's another comparison of Snopes vrs Truthorfiction's treatment of the email that has gone out regarding 'Obama's 50 lies'. Notice that Snopes often adds editorial comments favoring Obama on unproven statements or even on proven one where they say he is
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-lies.htm

Truthorfiction.org was owned by a conservative, christian commentator who passed away a couple of months ago. If you look at the site, notice at the top the google ads. This is a site meant to drive traffic to generate revenue for the owner. I am in the tech industry and that is a red flag. Again, Republicans, please stop saying stupid, uninformed things and making us all look bad.

Red Jackson, I have truthorfiction.com up and no where do I see at the top of the page "This is a site meant to drive traffic to generate revenue for the owner." I do see however "
Note: The Ads that appear
on this page are under the
control of Google Ads,
not TruthOrFiction.com,
which is a non-partisan site."

Big difference in what your saying and what is truly on the page.

Kelly why are you done, you haven't back up any of your information other than saying it came from the Bible snopes.com I have backed up all my information with website after website but on none of your post you backed up anything. Then you say others spread rumors but it is the truth when the information is backed up.

This makes no sense either grammatically or conceptually.

Kelly you haven't back up any of your information that you've been posting other than I post facts. If your posting true facts then you can back it up with web pages and sources. So far the only thing you said is that you read it on snopes.com or factcheck.org and both do not give the actual truth. They are both in fact tied to the Democrats. And I could not find any thing on the net that says the Republican Party uses either of these sites for finding out what the other party is doing as you stated in one of your post. I asked you to back up all your information with sources and sited material, but you have not done so.

Shakin' my head...

Kelly face it you can't back up any of your statements with facts. You say you did but where are all the actually web pages and sited pages that your information comes from. Just what I thought, you can't.

I would rather take my chances on Romney. Remember that Bush had to also clean up the mess that Clinton left him. As Clinton had to clean up the mess that the president left before him and he had to clean up the mess that the president before him left and so on and so on. It is about people getting out there and voting and making a difference in who is the better person to put into office.

Oh please Daniele, Bush did not screw up this country, the Democrats and Republicans screwed up this country. You libs keep forgetting that Congress approved the wars during Bush's term and the Democrat conrolled Congress kept approving Billions to spend on the war. How do you think the war kept going.

You also keep forgetting that Bush wanted to tighten oversight at Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to address the bad loans, but guess who blocked that legislation. Gee wiz, it was the Dems. And leave it to Barney Frank (D) as he so famously commented "These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis," . . .The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." This coming from the man that was the Chairman of the House Financial Services.

Here's the link to the NYT story, please take note of the date when the story was written. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html Just think if something was done then . . . . hmmm makes you wonder if the housing crisis would have happened at all.

Isabella, I totally agree and and did read the date of the article and the article but some one will go to snopes.com and say it isn't true, even as it is the truth. What I can't understand is why those who purchased home they couldn't afford with balloon mortgages now blame Bush and the Republicans for the stupid mistakes that they made. No one held a gun to their heads and forced them to purchase something they could not afford.

JustMe, people blame Bush and the Republicans becaue that is what the mainstream news is selling. It's really quite simple. And it's easier to blame someone else then blame the person looking back at you in the mirror. Quite sad that our country has gone in that direction. I hope we can turn it around, if not we will end up like Greece.

Isabelle, totally agree with you. I can remember a friend and her husband that were making 55,000 take home after taxes and decided it was time to purchase a home. The real estate agent told them that they could afford an $200,000 home and they ended up paying 195,000 for a home in McMurray. They could only get a balloon mortgage and the interest rate for the first 2 years was at 6.5 percent. They had no money down and their house payment was over 3,000 a month. They struggled to make this house payment every month and ran all their credit cards to make ends meet. After 2 years their interest on the house jumped to over 9% and they could not afford to pay for their home anymore, their loans on cars, utilizes, food, etc. What do they do, they quit paying their mortgage and 2 years later their home went for sheriff sale. They did file for bankruptcy at the last moment but that couldn't save their home, the car that the bank took. The funny thing was that they were blaming Bush for them losing their home and car. Everyone told them they couldn't afford their home, but they wouldn't listen.

Bob that is so true as Bush had how many democrats in the Senate and House vs how many Republicans. Wasn't it also the Democrats that fed Bush the wrong information that led to war?

Proud American - I have to agree with you, I am so sick and tired of my taxes paying for the ones that doesn't want to work. Obama preaches entitlement, the rich and working class pay for the ones that want to collect welfare, cash assistance, medicaid and food stamps. I am so happy that Colbert is stopping cash assistance in Pennsylvania on August 1, but that also is going to mean that more crimes are going to happen because some of the ones that are on cash assistance are going to have to get their money somewhere. The other day I seen someone in front of Walmart up in Pleasant Hills asking people that were walking in there if she could sell them her access card for cash. She wanted 100 for 300 worth of food. Yes I did call an officer up there and they did take her down to the station, because that is welfare fraud.

20 year and I see post on facebook that have democrats talking out of their butts about what they say obama has done and none of them are the truth. they blame bush for everything, even the mistakes that obama has made but i'll just blame Bush.

Lets face it another 4 years of obama and we will all be speaking Japanese because the trillions he wants to spend have to come from somewhere. Maybe all schools should start teaching English as a second language and making Japanese the official language in America.

Isn't that a great commercial. I heard it a couple times last week and couldn't believe what I was hearing. I have to say, that owner has some guts to make that commercial especially in this democrat/union controlled city. Give it time and there will be some union thugs outside the facility picketing.

b smith love the commercial and it is the truth. Here is a suggestion on how to put money back in our economy and create jobs. Start buying American made products. Quit buying products made in Japan, Mexico, Africa, South America, Canada. If everyone did purchase American made Products then there would be more jobs created to produce more products. When you call customer support and you get someone on the phone that you can hardly understand, asked to speak to someone in the United States. You would be surprised that companies do have customer services representatives in the United States besides in other countries. Example Verizon has first tier representatives over in Indonesia but their second tier and up reps are in the United States so asked to speak to an American on American soil.

Their sales people are amazing too. They tell you try them all out and let us know when your ready or have a question. No hounding you like many places. But the mattresses are FABULOUS! ! Highly recommend one.

The owner of original mattress factory has been doing commercials like that for years, he stands on good principles and the truth and that is someone I have no problem supporting their products.

I agree with you there b smith, I purchased my last mattress from them and have no complaints. I have nerve damage though my body and they didn't have a mattress in that I wanted and they brought one in for me to try a few days later and when I went back it was exactly what I wanted. They even delivered the mattress for me as I am also disabled and didn't charge me for it. I will go back there every time I need a new mattress.

Yep they come out in Jan of 2013 so either obama is already there and he says hahaha too bad or if he isn't then the dems say look what Romney is doing shame on him.

LIBERALISM always yes always generate the opposite of its stated intent ...i. e. The Affordable care act.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Someone amazing once said.... Give someone a fish and feed him for the day,teach a man to fish and feed him for life.

Hide those government checks under their work shoes and they will starve to death.

Don't forget the 60.1 Billion, yes you read correctly, BILLION tax on health insurance companies based on the premiums they collect. And where do you think they are going to get the money to pay the tax? This tax is going to cause premiums to go even higher. Of course, only those that pay premiums will be impacted. Unlike the family of 4 making $88,000. They will qualify for premium assistance under Obamacare. I'm tired of paying for those that choose not to work, but now I have to pay for someone making $88,000. I don't know about you, but I can't afford to pay for them too.

Lou but you forgot to mention that if it isn't on snopes.com it isn't the truth. People are so brained washed by obama and his entitlement. obama needs to go as he blames everyone for everything, even the mistakes and blunders he did himself he blames them on Bush. Yes Van Jones did have to resign because of his ties to the communist party.

Lou here is an article that is worth reading "http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802757.html

b smith love it " Hide those government checks under their work shoes and they will starve to death.", you couldn't of said it better there

Lou, are you really Glen Beck in disguise? This trash has been repeated since 2007 and started by right wing bloggers. You cite WORLD NET DAILY???? come on, you must be better than that! Everyone go to wnd.com and see what Lou has been reading. I love to get my info from intellectuals like Chuck Norris!!!

FactMan were do you get your facts from, Fantasy Island as you never proved anything that you have posted with sources or don't democrats know how to look information.

Lou have to agree with you there and couldn't of said it better. but you will get the ones telling you that your lying because it isn't on snopes.com

I would love to see every Single American pay 250 a month on healthcare. A family of 4 pay 500 and if your family is bigger than 4 then it is an extra 50 per person. That way if everyone pitches in then the health care system won't break and taxes won't go up since the Government isn't going to run out of money to pay for obamacare. If you can't afford to pay this amount of money and feed your family then get a second job. Buy American to put America to work.

I am a registered IND! My concern is that spreading misinformation further detracts from solving problems and makes us argue as people who are different rather than as Americans or just people. The far left did this under Bush--maybe as a means to end the wars-- But now the far right is running the Republican party. Marco Rubio--a seemingly good person--said that they can not get anything done in the house because people will not compromise. So now people call the President a Marxist and a communist and then expect their point to be taken seriously...

FactMan, how did Bush with a Democratic House and Senate get things done in the 8 years he was president. Yet we have an idiot in office that can't do anything. He isn't the brightest crayon in the box that for sure. Brags about lies and then when called out he blames it on Bush. The social planner needs to go back to planning parties and weddings.

Lou you need to check out the signs that they put out at the Casa D'Ice at 1901 Lincoln Highway North Versailles, PA 15137. Great Italian food and he post the most wonderful signs out in front of his business. http://www.casadice.com/outside_sign.htm

Very educated Italian man that isn't afraid to say what is on his mind. His latest one from June 13, 2012 said
THE AMERICAN PROJECT
HAS FAILED
OBAMA & HOLDER
MUST GO

But it's still Bush's fault.

Lou everything is Bush's fault. I stubbed my toe on my couch the other day....yep Bush's fault cause couldn't be my fault that would mean having to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for something.....signed Barrack Obama.

personal responsibility? from someone blaming Obama for every problem that faces him? If you don't like the price of gas, which of course is Obama's fault, why don't you go out and dig for your own oil or figure out, with all your personal responsibility power, how to get from here to there without paying the outrageous prices that Obama makes you pay.

If it's all Obama's fault - then something has to be Bush's fault, since he was our leader for 8 years during one of the biggest declines in this nation's history. Or maybe we should all personally take responsibility for the banker's tanking the economy, the awful endless wars we're involved in and all the rest. That's right b, it's your fault, and my fault and it's up to us to make it right. I'm going to start doing my part to fix this country tomorrow, I'm kind of tired tonight. You?

JS no you need to go back to the Clinton administration for the bankers tanking the economy, as Bush wanted to put a stop to this but the Senate and House couldn't agree on a bill. Tell me why Obama started a 3rd war when we had 2 going and we still have people over in 2 of the places still as I have one nephew in 2 countries, Pakistan and Afghanistan, We also still have soldiers in Iraq, that obama promised to have out in the summer of 2010.

I am trying to do my part also as I only buy American Products. I told my son's if any of our tv's go, we won't be getting one as I won't purchase any more foreign products. When I go grocery shopping now I check labels to find out where products are made over seas now. Generic products are made in the United States. If everyone quit buying foreign products and only purchased what is Made in America, there would be a demand for more American made products and would put more people to work. But people don't give a damm, so no I can't do it on my own, but I can support America.

You mean for those of you interested in Communism, listen to Van Jones. He may be good looking and a smooth talker, but he's stll a Communist. And my friend, Capitalism is what made this country great, not Communism.

Great reply--call someone a communist. Way to go Senator McCarthy!

JS just because your ignorant doesn't mean that others can't understand Lou. I understand perfectly what he is saying.

So you want me to listen to a communist, sorry but I live in America and want to live in a Capitalism Country, where my grandparents came to for the better.

FactManp Van Jones is a communist.

I just watched the news and obamacare is going to raise taxes on small businesses, so that means more unemployment when they close their doors since they can't afford taxes imposed by obama.

So glad they passed in Pennsylvania ID for Voting, as democrats won't be able to go vote 20 times to make sure obama is voted into office.

Really, you think that post is funny. I don't. Someone asked what ties Obama has to Communists/Socialists/Marxists and Lou provided some. I don't think it's funny at all that we have a President set on destroying the greatest country in the world. And when I say destroy, I'm referring to "remaking" us into a Communist/Socialist society. That is exactly what he is trying to do. To quote Obama during the 2008 campaign, "And I think when you spread the wealth around (he's referring to taxes) it's good for everybody". Well, Mr. President, your job is not to spread the wealth around. Your job is to provide opportunity for citizens to go out and make their own wealth. For those who need proof. Here is one of many links to the story back in 2008. When I heard Obama say this in 2008 I also fell off my seat, I don't know how anyone could hear him say this and still vote for him. Unless of course, you want to sit at home and live off the taxpayer teet.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2008/10/17/the_lesson_of_joe_the_plumber

Thank God someone cited Rush Limbaugh. He is so trustworthy and unbiased. I get all my news from him and the Fox business channel.

So lets laugh about the most confusing day in the hill district, Fathers Day and you all know the reason why.

Isabella, obama surrounds himself around communits, socialist, muslims and racist. I really want to know how obama was born in a hospital that didn't exist until a few years after his birth, but no one is allowed to question his false birth certificate.

I want to keep the money that I earned and not support the blood suckers that think they are entitled to what I have because they are to lazy to get up off their bubble butts and work. Have 10 kids so they can collect more welfare. Thank goodness that they pass Voters ID in Most States this year, as we won't have a lot of voters fraud as we did in 2008 when obamabinliar got in the first time.

Huh??????

Thank you b smith, that makes so much more sense then what js and factman has been spreading. Kelly can be their pr person because she post things but doesn't back it up with facts but claims everything she says is a fact but half the things she says can only be verified on snopes.com or factcheck.org and we know those are both tied to the democratic party, but she claims the republicans use those sites and I could not find any information that the republicans use that site so that they can keep an eye on the democrats as her words say they do.

I'm blindly in denial???
Most people on this thread want to return to the ideas of failed Republican head-in- th- sand bull that tanked our economy in the first place. All of you who thought that anyone could fix the problems Obama inherited in less than four years are deeply in denial of what deep crap that we were really in, especially with half the congress fighting to keep the economy from improving so they can get Obama out of office. (Admitted to by many Republicans).

Sorry, I don't share your fear of communists behind every door. Listen to Van Jones speak some time (the unedited by Fox versions) and you will see what an intelligent man he is. We need more of his kind, we don't need to be deporting them.

There you go with Van Jones again. That's fine that you don't fear communists, you are free to embrace them with open arms. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . . well you know how it goes.

JS, how comes every time Bush spoke he didn't keep on saying it was Clinton's fault. He wanted the job and when you take on a job you can't keep on blaming someone else. It becomes your problem and it is up to you to fix it. Bush wouldn't of started a war if Clinton would of done his job instead of sweeping it under the rug that we were going to be attacked on our soil by Bin Laden, it was a known for the last 4 years that Clinton was in office that this was going to happen, but nothing was done. Obama needs to go before we are all standing in line a soup line. I for one can't wait till Obama is out of office.

agree mark

I love this story, but you forgot the rest of it. I won't spoil the end, you can read it here: http://andrewtobias.com/newcolumns/030120.html

So true b smith and Isabella

"That's true", shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up...

The next night the Tenth man did not show up for dinner, so the Nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half the bill!

And that Boys & Girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start eating overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier?

b smith that is exactly how our system works and can you blame the rich for putting their money overseas, i can't because we got greedy obama in office that wants to take all of his money and give it to the poor.

Yet you have no comment on Romney's grandfather being a poligamist and fleeing to Mexico to live.

William Ayers was not a friend of Obamas. They ran in some of the same circles as both were involved in education in Chicago. This has been rehashed over and over on most credible news outlets, which is why you haven't heard it. Have you heard that the birthers were wrong? Rev. Wright is someone who preached at a church that Obama sometimes attended. When he found out about some of his views, he disavowed them and stopped going. Should we quote the Book of Mormon and use it to say that Romney is a poligamist because his grandfather was one. Mitt also chose to stay with his religion, which did not accept blacks until 1978. I understand that many posting on here are completely OK with that, but our president shouldn't be.

Ahhh, hello JS, Rev. Wright married the Obamas. Where do you get off saying he preached at a church that Obama sometimes attended. And lets not forget he baptized Obama's children and prayed with the Obama family when he launched his bid for President. Funny, how it wasn't until he was running for President that he severed ties with Wright. Well, publically at least.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-04-29/news/17895563_1_jeremiah-wright-obama-family-divisive

I don't remember those firings. But we will all remember someone get FIRED from his job in November!!! Hahahahha hahahahha haaaaaha!

Maybe he could be the first president of Antarctica. He couldnt even run an ice factory there or a Penguin viewing tower. Hahahah hahahah haaa.

b smith, comp is referring to Rush Limbaugh being fired from an NFL announcer job several years back because made a comment about a black quarterback, forget his name, the comment was not racist, but was a commentary about the mainsteam media's love of a mediocre quarterback and if said quarterback was white,it would be a different story.

RUSH SAID, "Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go, I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

He was referring to African American quarterback McNabb.

b smith why would you want to torture innocent penguins with sticking obama on them

Lou the food is great there and he is an awesome Italian guy to talk to. He also uses his hands to speak as some rude people on here didn't understand you using Capital Letters when you were first posting.

My oldest child graduated from college and started full time employment. His benefits didn't begin for 6 months. He had health care thanks to Obamacare. My second child graduated from college and has been working full time as an intern. He receives no benefits from this job. He has health care thanks to Obamacare. My stories aren't unique. Recent college grads are in a tough situation. Thanks to Obama, at least they have health care.

Umm Where is it stated they are getting free healthcare? They still have to pay for it under the Care Act...

People who get food stamps are probably already eligible for free or reduced medical care under the federal Medicaid program -- which existed long before the Affordable Care Act. Both Republicans and Democrats support Medicaid, although both parties also want to see program cuts, more accountability, better oversight and efficiency, etc.

In other words, "deadbeats" already have health care.

Who the ACA really helps is fully employed individuals who do not have employer-sponsored health care and can not afford medical insurance, which is prohibitively expensive. Prior to the ACA, even those who were fully employed and had employer-sponsored medical insurance could reach their lifetime maximums if they got a chronic, treatment-intensive disease such as cancer. Also, if these fully employed people with employer-sponsored health care had a child with a pre-existing condition, such as a heart or brain defect, their health care provider could refuse to cover the baby.

If we overturn ACA, which, I don't believe anyone ever will regardless of their rhetoric, only so-called "deadbeats" will be guaranteed medical care.

Bingo Kelly

Here is a great article that came out today, but this moron and I mean moron wants the wealthiest to pay for obamacare for the poor, if by chance this moron gets back in office I hope none of the republicans vote on anything he wants and let him sink in the middle of the ocean.
Obama: Let Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest expire http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-let-bush-era-tax-cuts-wealthiest-expire-172849154.html

Sounding every bit like the candidate he is, President Barack Obama called Monday for a one-year extension of Bush-era tax cuts on annual income up to $250,000, while letting those that chiefly benefit the very wealthy expire on schedule at year's end. The proposal reignited an election-year fight designed to polish his credentials as a champion for middle-class Americans.
"It's time to let the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, folks like myself, to expire," he said in the East Room of the White House, surrounded by people he warned could see a $2,200 jump in their tax bill if the rates expire. "I'm not proposing anything radical here," he insisted, casting the move as a return to the tax rates in force under President Bill Clinton, who presided over an era of robust job growth.

Judy boo hooo hooo, is obama going to give me back the money that my kids when they left college money that they had to pay to purchase their own insurance. They paid out thousands of dollars so he should give them back the money that they paid, only fair

Yes Kelly the money I make has to pay for more deadbeats to have free healthcare. Any person that makes more than 88,000 a year should put their money in offshore accounts so that they don't have to use their hard earn money to pay for obamacare.

Kelly you need to go check on health care if a child or adult is moving from one healthcare plan from another with out any laps in time, they do not have a pre-existing condition. And children that are very sick automatically can get medicaid to help with hospital bills already, so what point are you trying to prove beside more deadbeats getting free healthcare

RPD, I totally love the idea of subtracting their medical premiums from their food stamps. They wouldn't have anything left to feed their family though and would starve though, then robberies in the grocery stores would go up for the hard working Americans. These are the same people complaining that they can't vote either because they don't have birth certificates. But they need birth certificates for them and their families when they go down and apply for welfare, food stamps and medical cards.

People want free obamacare, pass a drug test or pay for your own insurance, this would only be fair since our taxes and the rich are going to be paying for their health care. Same with welfare, you want food stamps, cash assistance, help with your utilities pass a drug test. If you don't do drugs you don't have anything to worry about. Florida, Kansas, Arizona, Indiana and Missouri all have this law in place for welfare, why not the rest of the United States. The ones that are saying this is unconstitutional are the ones that are on Welfare and don't want drug test (wonder why).

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/us/states-adding-drug-test-as-hurdle-for-welfare.html?pagewanted=all QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE "In Florida, people receiving cash assistance through welfare have had to pay for their own drug tests since July, and enrollment has shrunk to its lowest levels since the start of the recession."
My company does drug testing for businesses, goes out to construction sites, supply them to doctors offices for the people that are on narcotics and on Workman's Comp. Why not test people that want obamacare for free or cheap, if they can afford to do drugs then they can afford their own healthcare.

@comp – Other taxes that were not meant to be permanent are: the personal income tax, cigarette tax, and the wonderful Johnstown Flood Tax here in Pennsylvania.

Is it your position that these taxes also go away because they were temporary?

Outraged Citizen, I totally agree there. What about when Pennsylvania started the CAT (Catastrophic Loss Trust Fund) Depending on your offense, you'll pay between $30 and $50 to the state's Catastrophic Loss Trust Fund, which was set up in 1984 to defray medical bills of people who were seriously hurt in traffic accidents. The CAT Fund law was repealed in 1989, but the fund still needs money to pay benefits to about 750 people who were hurt before the repeal. If you get a ticket now, your still paying for this and it was repealed in 1989. I somehow don't believe all the money collect these tickets is still going to 750 people, but they never gotten rid of this this charge and they promised back then it would only be on tickets 5 years past the day of repeal.
http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/20020630speeding0630p5.asp

Military man? If so Thank You for your service, and family as well.

Come on John everyone knowsits Bush 's fault. Not sure how but doesn't matter obama has NEVER done anything!

b smith you know it was George Bush fault too that obama wasn't allowed to have a lemonade stand when he was growing up.

Richard I agree there, I am a partner in a business and we are going to lay of 8 people. It will mean the ones that are working for us have to work overtime, and instead of me doing 60 hours a week i'll be doing 80

Lou I love your caps as I can picture you talking with your hands. I am a widow on an Italian and I learned to speak with them also.

Dee I agree is an awesome book that they should read in High School. I think that anyone that plans on voting for obama should read it also.

That isn't a surprise to me at all, never liked him from the time that I seen one of his speeches. Just thinking of him opening his mouth makes me cringe. I won't even watch one of his speeches on tv now, but will listen to all the news stations about what he had to say and will read about it on the net and in the paper.

Supreme Court: Hazleton, Pennsylvania Immigration Law Must Be Re-Examined
ALLENTOWN, Pa. — A Pennsylvania city will get another chance to defend its never-enforced illegal immigration law after the Supreme Court on Monday ordered a federal appeals court to reconsider the case.
Citing their recent decision upholding an Arizona employer-sanctions law, the justices threw out a ruling by the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that prevented the city of Hazleton from enforcing regulations that would deny permits to business that hire illegal immigrants and fine landlords who rent to them.
Hazleton's Illegal Immigration Relief Act inspired similar laws around the country, including the one in Arizona. Both measures were authored by the same scholar, Kris Kobach, currently Kansas' secretary of state.
"Hazleton has paved the way for other cities and states across the country to enact similar laws, so this is a great day for all of those cities and states, and for the people of Hazleton who had to endure criticism from those who opposed what we were trying to do because the federal government didn't want do its job," said U.S. Rep. Lou Barletta, Hazleton's former mayor, who pushed through the measures in 2006.

Regan? Huh? What on earth are you talking about?

b smith i read that article also. My son's orthopedic surgeon is also leaving his practice and said he is opening his own where people will have to pay cash, check or credit card to see him then they can submit their bill to the insurance to get reimbursed. I don't see him losing patients either as he only has 2 days a month that he see patients and he does travel with one of our teams in Pittsburgh in case one of them gets hurt.

That's right, no matter how badly the libs try to destroy capitalism, the producers will always find a way." Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent".Jim Quinn.

Not every doctors practice takes medical assistance and after obamacare goes into effect, I can see more of them quit taking this type of insurance. Then what is obamacare going to do, try to force doctors to work for peanuts. I doubt if that will happen.

Just me remember they govt controls student loans, federal money for colleges they will make suremed students have to work in clinics or practices that only treat obamacare patients as part of their loan agreements. They will find a way to bend them over.

I don't blame them for taking on the hard working people as clients.

b smith I see the democrats doing more of we will forgive your student loans if you practice at places that take obamacare or we will pay for you to go to college to become a doctor if you take obamacare for 10 years or work in an obamacare clinic. Men and women who want to become doctors will be joining the military to get schooling paid for in that case. Nothing against the military either as every time I see a soldier in a restaurant, I will take care of their bill as it is my way of saying Thank You. If I am leaving I will ask the waitress or waiter approximately how much their bill is and will leave that and approximately 20% more to make sure their bill is paid in full. It is my way of saying thank you for them, not our president for keeping us FREE.

I seen that and both snopes.com and factcheck.org are both big supporters of the obama campaign. All of the links that you are posting are either for factcheck, snopes, urbanleague and truthorfiction. Can you verify any new sources, like newspapers, news stations that also says this about these 4 that isn't a blog. Out of urbanlegands.about.com, snopes.com, factcheck.org and truthorfiction.com I would only believe truthorfiction.com. I would believe chacha.com and ehow.com.

And for Kelly and you other believers of obama and the democratic party, Republicans and the Tea Party does not uses these sites to check on the Democrats and what they are doing as Kelly has posted as true without backing it up with resources, but has made comments that what she posted is backed and is the absolute truth. Give me a break.

What are you democrats going to do when obama taxes the rich and their isn't jobs created and their business go under because of all the taxes that obama wants to impose on them, who is going to pay for your obamacare????? It won't be me because today I'm going to check into moving what I have offshore so that you greedy democrats wont' be spending my money.

JustMe - if you click on this link (http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=factcheck.org&submit=Search) it's a partial list of the number of times Fox News has used FactCheck.org to prove or disprove a fact. Here is a list of articles at the Christian Science Monitor that does the same (http://www.csmonitor.com/content/search?SearchText=factcheck.org&sort=relevance).

JustMe - Neither snopes.com nor factcheck.org support President Obama's reelection campaign.

Kelly
I went on the Republican Party's web site and typed in snopes.com guess what my search result came up with a big FAT ZERO on the times they check snopes.com.
Search Results: ZERO
http://www.gop.com/Search/search_page.php?cx=012184668256731348851%3A29dduexeusi&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=SNOPES.COM

I also checked on there for factcheck.org and guess what, they had a big FAT ZERO times that they got their information from factcheck.org
Search Result: ZERO http://www.gop.com/Search/search_page.php?cx=012184668256731348851%3A29dduexeusi&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=factcheck.org

KELLY Can't say the same for the democrats though, it is their Main source for wrong information.

JustMe

Please, please, please stop defending us Republicans on this site. Please just stop, we do not need to be represented by someone who is so obviously completely ignorant of modern media. Did you even click on any of those links? You asked for sources like newspapers and news stations and you got them. Ehow.com? It's a website to learn how to do things like bake a cake.

We do not want you representing our party. You can't spell, you don't know the difference between even simple homographs like "their, there, they're" or "your and you're." Your grammar and spelling are atrocious. You ask questions, but when they're answered, you ignore the answer or act as if they said something else.

Again, I beg of you, go away. We do not need people sticking up for the Republican party that are ignorant, uniformed and uneducated. It just makes us look bad.

Wouldn't be so defensive of the Republicans. I would cheer a litttle more for conservatism. Stop with the r and d .it is trulyy about the person and their beliefs.

Red Jackson, why don't you GO AWAY, we don't need you either representing the Republican Party.

Richard - I have not responded to any posts by Dee L. Wright, she responded to one of mine. You have me confused with some other attacker.

b smith I totally agree with you there. these kool-ade drinkers think they know everything and are right on everything because they read the truth on snopes.com and factcheck.org. Those of the Bibles to the democratic party as they both use them so much for their information. Yes their are people with no common sense out there and the ones that I find that don't have common sense seem to be the ones that believe that snopes.com and factcheck.org is the Bible of information and think that everyone in the United States including all news papers, news stations and the Republican Party use them to check all their information to find out if it is the Gospel Truth, which it isn't.

b smith - If we the poll workers gave you a "pop quiz" on grammar and spelling I don't think you'd pass.

@b smith – Making people take a “pop quiz” in order to exercise their right to vote is one of the most un-American ideas in this thread. Ignoring the fact the Supreme Court has ruled multiple times against ideas like your “pop quiz,” are you setting up your mental acuity as the basis for which the rest of us will be judged? If not, then who?

It is the right of citizens in this country to vote. This right even extends to the silly, moronic and uninformed. The reason why the right to vote must be extended to the silly, moronic and uninformed is once you create some sort of criteria to exclude a few, it invariably leads to the exclusion of many.

we all know this is a big fat lie

JustMe - What's this "we" stuff? You're either "JustMe" or you're "we".